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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by keldaris »

patejam wrote: post #197
natch wrote: post #107

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If cognitive load is what you care about, you should try autopilot’s cruise control with distance keeping. Stress erased from driving and cognitive load lifted almost completely. The win from this overcomes any cognitive load from thinking about charging by a factor of 100 or more in my experience. Most people are blown away by this when they get it. Of course it’s not unique to Tesla but it’s a big benefit.

You mean the cruise control that's already killed people? The cognitive load of not trusting cars around you is now increased by having to worry about not trusting your own car . That's crazy to me. I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively.

> I'm pretty convinced most stress caused by driving is just people driving way too aggressively.

In my experience, the exact opposite seems to be the case. Aggressive drivers tend to move with a purpose, pay attention and react logically (even if recklessly) to events on the road. By contrast, the bored people zoning out while driving, the people stuck on their phones or just clogging up the fast lane while driving under the speed limit are unpredictable (and when they do wake up, they tend to panic) and cause problems all around themselves as everyone else is forced to adjust. People who can't be bothered to care about driving while doing it are much worse than people who care too much.

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Post by steelframe »

whatshisface wrote: post #168
leetcrew wrote: post #160

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accelerating really fast in a straight line is probably the most pointless aspect of "performance" for a car that gets driven on public roads. modern hot hatches that cost $25k are already too powerful to fully appreciate without getting your license taken away. a 230i or m240i is going to be much more fun to drive 10-15 mph over the speed limit than any Tesla. get one with a manual transmission while you still can.

You accelerate really fast in a straight line every time you pull out from a stop sign or red light. In fact if you are adhering to speed limits, accelerating really fast is the only way to save travel time.

Save travel time by accelerating fast? So you get to 40mph a half a second faster? Are you being sarcastic?

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Post by i_am_proteus »

burfog wrote: post #221
Klathmon wrote: post #172

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>I’d also like to add that I think lane splitting is wildly dangerous and dread driving in California. Surely motorcyclists die from this every year? So it's a bit contentious, but from what i've seen, it's safe as long as it's done safely, which is a dumb sentence, but let me explain: There are really 2 things that people talk about with "lane splitting": * Filtering - moving up between stopped cars at a light to th…

I thought it was a pair of motorcycles side-by-side according to mutual prior agreement. That would be understandable. Those other things are crazy. Unintentionally, I will kill you. I hope the law would agree that it is 100% your fault, because I would want to sue your estate for damages both physical and mental.

This is not how the law works in most countries and in California. You are also more likely to unintentionally kill me if I don't lane split.

Anecdote: a motorist lost control of his vehicle at highway speeds far ahead of me, causing everyone to brake suddenly. I split into the braked cars and slowed down.

The car I had been behind was rear-ended violently. If I had not lane split, I would have been rear-ended violently. I will take an unlimited number low-speed side scrapes over being hit from behind by a two-ton car going 30 mph faster.

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Post by pwinnski »

Hatamatarat wrote: post #227
trca wrote: post #63

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I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Wow, I wished I lived in a developed country too. Random road trips? AutoPilot? Random stops at high-density places to get ready for the next leg of the trip? Seriously, what kind of heaven do you people live in? I can't even travel 2 kilometers without getting lost in unhabitable middle of nowheres or being asked for a visa and turned back.

Driving from Dallas, Texas, to San Diego, California, is a three-day drive if you stop overnight, or 19+ hours if you drive without unnecessary stops. And that's only halfway across the USA, essentially horizontally. A drive from Seattle to Miami or San Diego to Portland, Maine, would be much longer.

The US Interstate Higherway System means that even on long stretches of road where nobody seems to live, the roads are still maintained, with stops every so often.

And of course, no visas or even passports required. Just a driver license if you're driving, or no ID at all if you're a passenger.

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Post by Ma8ee »

georgerobinson wrote: post #205
Ma8ee wrote: post #192

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I don’t talk about Tesla. I am talking about a small car, electric or not, that cost a fraction to buy, drive, insure and will be easier to park. And then renting for that fishing trip or long road trip when your small car won’t do.

I looked at this for a fun car to use at the weekends twice a month but it wasn't cost effective. To rent for a weekend: - Rental: £300 (dependent on the car, but £300 was the cheapest) - Fuel: £100 To do it twice a month, between April and October would cost £5,600. Instead I picked up a fantastic car for just under £10,000 with less than 50,000 miles on it. Man Maths has me at (over 12 months): - Depreciation: £500…

If you actually use the cat like that twice a month for a big part of the year it of course makes sense to buy one. But most people use the car for that fun drive maybe twice a year (even though they of course dream about doing it all the time when they buy their expensive car).

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Post by bacon_waffle »

tzs wrote: post #210
trca wrote: post #63

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I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

> But if you have to wait for two or three cars ahead of you do their 30 minute charges, can you do something while you wait or do you have to stick with your car to move it up whenever the line moves?

This seems like an ideal use for self driving technology - park at the tail end of the queue and your car moves itself forward.

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Post by qubitcoder »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #194
wil421 wrote: post #91

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Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M…

German cars are _significantly_ more expensive in Germany than the exact same model in the US. I was astonished at the price difference (factoring in currency conversion, VAT, etc). The same applies for electronics. I sold a used iPad to a German colleague for substantially _more_ than what I had paid for it, and it was still a bargain for him.

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Post by ajross »

g4k wrote: post #240
ajross wrote: post #201

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> Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip That's a 10 hour drive! You're genuinely choosing a personal vehicle on its ability to drive literally all day? I mean, sure. Everyone has their own preferences. But this is a wildly beyond median data point. Most people will take a trip like this once every few years at most. The vast majority are going to look at that trip and fly/train and rent a car in Austria. Buy…

It is not incredibly rare. Many people from the Netherlands drive to Austria and Italy for vacation.

Yes yes, lot of people do everything. The question is whether or not something you do once every two years (my educated guess based on that kind of trip frequency per net passenger car -- and I live in the western US!) is a critical requirement for a passenger vehicle to be driven every day.

There are all sorts of things your car can't do that "many" other people do. All I'm saying is stop the nonsense that pretends this is specific to EV's.

This is the logic that demands everyone have a pickup truck, or 4WD, or passenger van, or, hell, private aircraft. Use what you need. But (1) don't pretend that what you need is what I do and (2) be realistic about what you "need". Like, seriously, you really can't take a train to the Alps? Seriously?

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Post by magnetic »

bacon_waffle wrote: post #246
tzs wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

> But if you have to wait for two or three cars ahead of you do their 30 minute charges, can you do something while you wait or do you have to stick with your car to move it up whenever the line moves? This seems like an ideal use for self driving technology - park at the tail end of the queue and your car moves itself forward.

Once you move to the front of the queue, you need this to happen too:

https://youtu.be/uMM0lRfX6YI

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Post by rivercam »

tzs wrote: post #210
trca wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

If you stay overnight, any power outlet will be good enough to charge your EV.
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