US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

Post by casefields » Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 10:21 PM UTC

ElBarto wrote: post #179

anonu wrote: post #129

We are witnessing the breakdown of the world order established post WWII. The EU exists because of the US. Its security and trade routes are guaranteed because the US is an ally. No EU country has a military that compares to that of the US, especially in terms of naval power. Hindering access to the EU may be a minor nuisance on the surface. But its a harbinger of worse things to come and undermines the unprecedented…

The EU exists because of Europeans. The US do not want the EU to be a political power. The US have had the 20th century, that great for them but it's high time for Europe to recover.

Post by qbaqbaqba » Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 10:27 PM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #2

This is in response to security concerns for some EU countries, so it's really just a political tit for tat. "The United States has been in a dispute with the EU's European Parliament and European Commission over visas for Bulgaria, Croatia, Poland, Romania and Cyprus. Travelers in those five countries are the only EU nations that the US requires to apply for a visa."

Post by geggam » Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 10:51 PM UTC

guitarbill wrote: post #166

geggam wrote: post #156

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Rent a car. EU countries dont even treat each other equally. Stones in glass houses ? Territorial restrictions The vehicle selection can restrict travel to certain countries. For a description of these restrictions on admission, the countries are divided into three zones. Zone 1: Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, Great Britain, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco,…

Sounds like this is a rental car/insurance issue, i.e. private corporation, not a free movement issue. Whether it's just or not is a different question, which would derail the thread.

Post by felipelemos » Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 11:33 PM UTC

ardy42 wrote: post #211

rmind wrote: post #60

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Just a few points: - Tit-for-tat response is a geopolitical reality. Regardless whether you think it is pre-school model or not, this is what pretty much all countries do, as it is a perfectly rational way (and sometimes even the only way) to defend your interests. By rational I am talking about the Game Theory kind of rational. :) - You suggest to look at each EU country individually (just also keep in mind that the…

> You suggest to look at each EU country individually (just also keep in mind that there are no border controls beetween the EU countries in the Schengen Zone). In such case, should we also look at each US state individually (because they are also not uniform US states have no foreign relations. There's no Californian embassy in Sofia, but there is a Bulgarian embassy in Washington. No American travels on a Californi…

Post by KorematsuFred » Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 12:01 AM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #26

rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

Tit for tat is a great model in pre-school. The more mature response is to investigate the underlying issues. Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling “We are EU, you must treat us all the same” there could be some acknowledgement that travelers from those countries are disproportionately overstayers and there is a justifiable reason to need to more closely track them. If US travelers are overstaying…