What's up with calling these division leads as "CEO"? Do they only answer to the board elected by shareholders?
AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
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#242It's not fake news unless you hurt me!
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So why are you rambling on about unrelated pet topics in HN threads?
Do you truly believe his point to be unrelated, this isn't a debate about GP's tone? I think what parent touches on in their "tangent" is indeed the most important thing to come out of this story.
I do truly believe it to be unrelated and veering into attractive-but-unsubstantiated conspiracy territory.
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#244The lack of confirming evidence is a strong sign the Bloomberg reporters were played. It's interesting to wonder who might have done that though -- US businesses who might gain? Those from within the administration? Regardless of the truthfulness of the report, the damage is done and the hack story fits in well for the protectionist trajectory the US is taking.
Unless Bloomberg are really amateurs it had to be a very credible source to make them publish the story even though Apple & friends had told them multiple time that it wasn't true. They trusted their source more that the word of the putative victims. And since then they haven't shown any hint of doubting it either.
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Well, they would obviously get consent from the sources first, rather than simply sharing their names with the other outlets.
A source contacts a journalist offering sensitive information with the expectation that their anonymity will be zealously protected. Then the journalist comes back to the source asking they risk compromising their anonymity further by talking to an entirely different news organization. This would qualify as 'dicking with sources' and no sane journalist would normally do this, for both professional ethical and busines…
Bloomberg might be a serious financial news organization but its credentials as a serious tech news organization are very much questionable at this point.
I agree that it seems tricky for them to go to their sources and ask them to talk to some other news org however.
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So how should have Apple and Amazon acted if they were indeed truly innocent? Their behavior seems to be very consistent with what they are saying.
Maybe let's let the justice system figure things out?
Is the justice system involved in any way at this point? Or are you suggesting that Apple and Amazon should sue for libel or something like that?
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Bloomberg claims that there is evidence floating around - unless they're bluffing, they should be able to show evidence of at least one such motherboard, instead of CGI graphics showing how it might look. Have they seen any actual hard evidence? Noone is disputing that the described attack vector is possible, but if Bloomberg has not properly verified if it actually has happened , then their article becomes a lie; an…
If their sources are from the intelligence community do you really expect them to handover physical chips to the journalists they leak to?
I always wonder why are sources from the intelligence community regarded as distinct? They're fairly integrated, I'd regard them as just one source.
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Bullshit. Straight from the CIA's NIE, page 9: > High Confidence: > Iraq is continuing, and in some areas is expanding, its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programs contrary to UN resolution. > Iraq could make a nuclear weapons in months to a year if it acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material. https://www.scribd.com/doc/259216899/Iraq-October-2002-NIE-o... I'm not sure where this "the IC is this…
Don't bother trying - its not possible in todays political climate for people to be enlightened as to just how much damage has been done to the world by the 'intelligence' community. The CIA is the #1 source of conflict and trouble in the world - but American citizens have a very hard time with the self-reflection required to see this fact. This is by design: their society has been engineered to allow the secret spoo…
that kind of self-reflection is only possible one person at a time http://mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-most...
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So if a newspaper wanted evidence that your company fucked up you would go and dismantle company property to discredit your employer knowing that it's likely to damage them and ruin you.
If you want to blow a whistle, yes. If not dismantle, at least photograph the object. If your employer retaliates, you can make good money in speaker fees retelling the story, or get a job at a company that wants to be known for good hardware security.
Getting a job is not necessarily a reason to jeopardize a whole career in the intelligence community. People in public service sometimes have feelings about serving their country.
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not sure why you are so downvoted on this (maybe less drama next time) but more or less right. More specifically though, the Snowden docs showed how the usa does this kind of stuff on a one-off basis.
Honestly, less drama, fair enough...but sadly it's not drama, it's fact albeit in small numbers, this 100% happened as we found out from Snowden docs and other leaks! That wasn't really the point i was trying to make though, and if it's happened or not doesn't really need to hold true for the basis of my comparison to hold true as a basis of english arguments. Also, I gave up hunting karma on HN a while back, i'd rat…
Hey at least they haven't taken your voice away yet.