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Why Can't Hollywood Make a Good Video Game Movie?

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Starship Troopers was an A+ movie masquerading as a B movie.

> Starship Troopers was an A+ movie masquerading as a B movie. Starship Troopers was a C- bit of social commentary masquerading as a an adaptation of a work to which the creator of the film was hostile without reading.

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The Witcher 3. Part of the problem is that often your story-heavy games are really telling dozens of different stories. In TW3 for example, the main story is good but not amazing, yet several of its "secondary" stories are fantastic.

Oof. Which ones? After the ten thousandth person recommended the game to me, I recently played through it and never found a plot that I didn't find pretty flat. Plus, I couldn't tell if the terrible dialog and gratuitous cringe-worthy softcore CGI porn sequences were supposed to be a self-aware in-joke.

If you played through the entire game and didn't find any of the stories compelling, all I can really do is shrug and say apparently it wasn't the game for you. I'm curious what games you've felt were "non-flat" and well written?

If you do want examples of great stories from Witcher 3, they are (IMO):

* Main story from the Hearts of Stone expansion

* Bloody Baron sub-plot

* Main story from the Blood & Wine expansion

* Triss Merigold sub-plot regarding mages in Novigrad

* Haunted tower quest from Kiera Metz

* The first 75% or so of the base game's main story is good, but it's complex and hard to get invested in if you aren't familiar the characters and backstory

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Oof. Which ones? After the ten thousandth person recommended the game to me, I recently played through it and never found a plot that I didn't find pretty flat. Plus, I couldn't tell if the terrible dialog and gratuitous cringe-worthy softcore CGI porn sequences were supposed to be a self-aware in-joke.

There are lots of great side quests in The Witcher 3. The wolfman one, the one with the ghost and the oven, the one that takes part in a tower in an island in a lake, the one where you finish tracking down some witches... Not to mention, part of the appeal of the game is not knowing if those quests are going to end well or not. Some quests don't have good endings, while others depend on your choices, making you respo…

I’m not scandalized by the sex. I just find myself eye rolling at the hamfisted treatment of the topic. A couple of lame pickup lines and every woman you encounter practically impales herself on you.

Not to mention the tedium of the cut scenes where sex is depicted. But you’re right that I have a double standard in one regard: I’ll put up with lengthier cut scenes with magic explosions and plot advancements than I will put up with cut scenes that are herky CG sex.

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The same reasons why adaptations of books aren't better than the book, usually. The medium is different, books can go into much more detail and leaves many things up to the readers imagination which is based on their own worldview, perceptions, knowledge, etc. A movie glances over many details and doesn't leave much to the imagination of the viewer. Movies and books are both scripted stories. Video games involve choi…

Came here to say this. Some adaptations are art; most are money grabs.

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I still have hope. It took many decades before we entered the golden age of comic book movies, and while I don't think the wait will be as long, I think we're still not quite there yet with video games. What makes a good video game movie is what makes any movie good: when the creative team behind the endeavor believes in it and is tied to the source material. Read some of Nolan's early interviews before Batman Begins…

A Bioshock movie would be very hard to get right because so much of the plot revolves around free will and choice, which is of course entirely missing in film. However there was a book [1] set in the Bioshock universe which could work.

[1] http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/BioShock:_Rapture_(Novel)

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Such as? Besides adventures games Infocom or Sierra style and their descendants...

The Witcher 3. Part of the problem is that often your story-heavy games are really telling dozens of different stories. In TW3 for example, the main story is good but not amazing, yet several of its "secondary" stories are fantastic.

Many of the Witcher 3 substories seem to be reincarnations of the various stories told in the original books - I mean, Witcher is not a "game story" but an adaptation of novels, and these novels have also been adapted into movies and IIRC a TV series some decades ago;

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Starship Troopers was an A+ movie masquerading as a B movie.

As someone who read the novel after seeing the movie, I can see why people who loved the book were disappointed by the movie. The movie, to me, was a hilarious parody of a propaganda-heavy war machine (which might also be why I find Warhammer 40k's Ciaphas Cain novels so funny). That might be one of the first times that I learned to enjoy both a movie and a book separately, even if the movie is (objectively) a poor p…

> the movie is (objectively) a poor portrayal of what was in the book.

The movie was pretty much completely conceived before anyone pointed out a superficial resemblance between certain elements of it and the book, which led to a (sadly, successful) effort to secure rights to the book, Verhoeven reading a small part of the beginning of the book and tossing it in disgust, some light plot and character changes to justify the connection, and then slapping the title of the book onto the movie.

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Mostly because videogame plot lines aren't as good as we give them credit for. Videogames are great at being interactive diversions, but their stories leave a lot to be desired and are really just thin background dressing for the real reason we play videogames: for the gameplay. The most successful videogame movies tend towards genre films like Mortal Kombat (the film) and Resident Evil (the series). Of course, let's…

> Mostly because videogame plot lines aren't as good as we give them credit for.

As a friend of adventure games and visual novels I have to disagree. Here are some games that in my opinion have great stories:

- The Longest Journey

- Zero Escape: The Nonary Games (Zero Escape: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors; Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward)

- the Blackwell series

- To the Moon

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Aliens vs. Predator was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

I think that was based on a comic book, so it may not be relevant except to point out that Holywood doesn't automatically make great films even when not adapting games.

Surely nobody thought that was the case.

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Rampage's plot: "Three people are turned into giant monsters and start destroying cities." That's a pretty good B-movie plot. Do a good job making the rubber monster suits and that's half the film right there.

Are you both aware that Rampage is now an actual movie? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampage_(2018_film)

Yes, I intentionally chose it for that reason. I had the same reaction to that as I did to Battleship.
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