Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
241–250 of 281 posts
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#242I live in the PNW and am in the tech industry. I haven't had a need for social media in any job application I've filled out, and not a single interview or recruiter mentioned anything about social media. Social media is entirely unecessary unless you consider Indeed social media or work in a social media role.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#243What do HN readers use for social media? I basically only use Reddit, HN, and instagram(which I'm slowly quitting).
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#244Does NYT just let anybody write for them nowadays? This article came off as very... amateurish.
> "Cal Newport is an associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University and the author of “Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World” (Grand Central)."
As an aside, during the expansion of media online, a lot of traditional media picked up a lot of bloggers. In some cases they were included in sections that distinguished between the traditional staff and the blogs, and were held to different journalistic standards, often on different teams. (Don't read this to mean that there aren't excellent bloggers; indeed there are.) That distinction has fallen away so it's not always obvious. Then again, people often mistake editorials and opinion pieces for news articles when it's right there in the header.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty much retired but I was an engineer and then a manager and then a CEO/VP engineering for ~20 years. If you think I'm not going to google you before I offered you a job you are mistaken. Of course I'm going to do that. Think of it this way. One of the questions we asked ourselves about every hire is "would they pass the grocery store test?" Which is: if we saw that person in the store would we go chat with t…
I don't like your grocery store test at all. Before I give reasons, can you elaborate on what things make you "cringe"? Edit: Surprised at the support for grocery store test. If I was hiring and doing the grocery store test, then I would reject everyone who has posted in support of this test as they make me "cringe".
Let's try a different version and call it the "no assholes rule".
If I hired someone who was a top 1% engineer but was a complete asshole to work with, that's someone who would fail the asshole test. It's extremely unlikely I'd have hired that person, we built a team of people who were both good at what they did and friendly with each other.
The grocery store test I apparently completely screwed up in getting across what I meant. Someone who failed the asshole test would fail the grocery store test. What the grocery store test is trying to get across is how you would react when you saw a co-worker outside of work. Do you like them enough that you'd go say hi, maybe chat a little before moving on with your shopping? Or do you dislike them enough that you'd try and avoid them?
If applied in the right way, it makes you think about the person in a broader sense than just their coding skills. If you like how they code and you would like to chat with them outside of work, that's a pretty strong indicator, in my experience, that you'll bond as a team.
I'm not sure how I failed so badly at explaining that, whatever. The point is that building a team is not just about individual skills, it's also about how the team gets along. A soccer player recently was trying to make the same point when he said "you can buy any player you want, you can't buy a team".
tl;dr: building a team is not just about skill, it's also about chemistry.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it not obvious? It's a visual opinion that is open to interpretation as much as any company that can consider you a fit for their culture. It's not a universal cringe per se, but likely falls into 'outside of social norms' cringe.
I really doubt the "grocery store test" is based at all on appearances, but if, after knowing you, would they want to go up and talk to you if they saw you outside of work, or would they try and hide, and hope you don't notice them.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty much retired but I was an engineer and then a manager and then a CEO/VP engineering for ~20 years. If you think I'm not going to google you before I offered you a job you are mistaken. Of course I'm going to do that. Think of it this way. One of the questions we asked ourselves about every hire is "would they pass the grocery store test?" Which is: if we saw that person in the store would we go chat with t…
You mention you judge a candidates social media prior to offering the job. Does that mean you have at least done an in person interview with them? I ask because it’s really hard to determine a person by their social media. Maybe unless for an older generation where their real life aligns with their social media presence. But for many younger generations, they couldn’t be more different.
And it's worth stating that for me, social media is any sort of web foot print I can find with google (or these days duckduckgo).
We did the same thing with prospective customers. You google them and see if you find a bunch of people complaining about them. Yes? Work less hard on that sale. No, everyone loves them? Work more hard on that sale.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everyone is lucky enough to have thoughtful relatives, yet not horrible enough to completely shun.
Isn't that what "unfollow" is for? For people who are obnoxious and you don't want to hear from, but you don't want to actually go all the way to unfriending (which would make it impossible to interact with them at all, basically, and also be noticeable to them). That's how I use it anyway. I've also noticed that FB now has a "snooze for 30 days" option that you can select, instead of just unfollow/unfriend. Not sure…
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty much retired but I was an engineer and then a manager and then a CEO/VP engineering for ~20 years. If you think I'm not going to google you before I offered you a job you are mistaken. Of course I'm going to do that. Think of it this way. One of the questions we asked ourselves about every hire is "would they pass the grocery store test?" Which is: if we saw that person in the store would we go chat with t…
What makes you think it gives an accurate or actionable glimpse?
Here's the deal. I ran a small company for almost 2 decades in the valley. Everyone worked with everyone else very closely. One bad apple can screw up the whole company, make everyone miserable. So I used every chunk of info I could get to make sure that a potential hire was gonna be a fit. That's just being prudent.
If you are posting on mailing lists about how you screwed your boss out of a pile of work by outsourcing it to some dude in India, yeah, not a great fit. If you are posting on facebook how you partied all week on your companies' dime while they thought you were working, yeah, not so much. Etc.
If you are in to Harley-Davidson motorcycles (which I hate), well, not gonna hold that against you, though I'll let you ride my r1200gs (every Harley guy who has taken me up on that walks away looking at that GS like that's the bike he should have gotten).
I'm somewhat surprised that people question a hiring manager looking around. If you were building a team that had to work together are you seriously telling me you wouldn't look? I'd like to hear that from anyone who has successfully built multiple teams and then have them explain why they wouldn't look.
Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It (2016)
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I used to think I had a healthy relationship with drinking, but ohhh... Not that social media is the same thing at all. But I have a degree in philosophy and was trained in my formative years to argue with folks. That's a terrible mode to be in on social media-- it doesn't serve the people around me and it doesn't serve me at all. So I stopped arguing and just posted nice things, like songs I sing or good thing…
Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/386/