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New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by tunareter »

gsnedders wrote: post #130
gingericha wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my understanding that a lot of US airports don't have an international-only terminal where people in transit wouldn't have to first go through customs & immigration. Quick google search brought me here: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k10297825-Do...

No airport does; you are required to clear the US border to connect. There's not such thing as a transit passenger in the US.

Well, actually... There are.

LHR-LAX-AKL requires all passengers to get off but those not terminating in LAX stay in a transit area (although there's still an immigration check).

And IAH supports international transit for bags, but you as a person still need to immigrate the normal way.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by praneshp »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #187
tumblen wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through this process in 2015-2016 after my fiancee was turned away while we were entering the US in PHL (they said she had already spent too much time with me there). We went back to Spain where she's from and started the 4+ month long process of getting her a K-1 fiancee visa. It is a lot of reading, a lot of forms, and nerve-wracking interviews so I understand where you're coming from. But now she has a gree…

The immigration system is horribly broken. My wife, too, is an immigrant, and our experience is vastly different from yours. For example, they scheduled her for an interview on a date that was impossible for her to make (iirc, that was her first day of a new job). She went to the INS offices to ask to have it rescheduled, and the person at the desk just gave her a flat "no, we do not reschedule interviews". My wife a…

As an immigrant, I wouldn't expect them to make adjustments for my schedule. It's unfortunate that you went through this, but for most people priorities are different.

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Post by Zak »

debaserab2 wrote: post #228
Zak wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure it would if the conflict cannot be resolved, i.e. both the immigration officials and the boss are unwilling to accommodate the other requirement. Missing one's first day of work generally looks bad though, and trying to avoid that if possible is reasonable. Attempting to reschedule an immigration interview doesn't strike me as unreasonable, nor does escalating to a supervisor if you don't like the answer you…

I agree that the latter part sounds very excessive, but I still can't understand how protecting one's legal status in the country they are in wouldn't far and away be the most important thing on their calendar. Given how long everything takes when dealing with immigration, it's not exactly surprising that they aren't able to accommodate people's schedules.

Attempting to schedule something in a way that minimizes conflicts doesn't necessarily imply that it's not the most important thing on the schedule.

> Given how long everything takes when dealing with immigration, it's not exactly surprising that they aren't able to accommodate people's schedules.

If things take a long time, it shouldn't make much difference to them whether they do an interview this week or next. It's surprising that everything takes a long time though, from a certain point of view anyway.

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Post by oefrha »

_jal wrote: post #156
benevol wrote: post #43

"In other words, CBP is now claiming the authority to confiscate your cellphones, laptops, memory cards, and any other electronic devices if you won’t tell CBP your passwords, and to retain the passwords you give them as well as the contents of those devices. Yes, this applies to U.S. citizens and permanent residents as well as visitors." That is just insane and unacceptable.

People need to push back. I know there's risk, but if you take this shit, they just keep pushing. I will be traveling with throwaway, obviously tailored devices with insulting passwords, lock-screens and documents and a huge pile of encrypted chaff. Let them document me as a troublemaker. Better, let them document hundreds of thousands of us as troublemakers. CBP and ICE have been drifting towards authoritarian-shith…

Hopefully more U.S. citizens stand up and push back against this bullshit. As for me, a foreigner living in the U.S., there's really nothing I could do other than complying, since they can just kick me out at any time.

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Post by dmitrygr »

rando444 wrote: post #97
Cort3z wrote: post #54

Chromebooks will be flying off the shelves after this. They are only allowed to view content on the device itself, not access any cloud-stored data.

the device still has a cache... plus unlocking a device with your google account and then handing it over to a border guard is the last thing I would want to do.

Why?

DefinitelynotfakedmitrygrLOL@gmail.com password: fucktheDHS

Log in works. Chromebook shows apps. Emails. Etc.

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Post by Spoom »

FireBeyond wrote: post #206
x0x0 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't you sponsor her for a K visa? If it's not too personal / I'm curious, where do you live?

Apropos of anything else, my arrival in the US from Australia (as a K-1) has cost over the years, at last count, coming up on $25,000...

Jesus, why? I think my K-1 (originally from Canada) cost something like $5,000, maybe $6,000 total. I guess plane fares and hotels might play into it, since I can cross by land.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by Teichopsia »

collyw wrote: post #88
Teichopsia wrote: post #45

Is this only for people entering the country or does it also apply to those in transit?

The US is the only country that I have passed though where they feel the need to poke around with your baggage that is in transit. (Its on my list of "shithole" countries).

I understand that one needs to go through customs & immigration, even if one is only in transit. But the idea that one needs to hand over one's "diary" is beyond me.

Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by [deleted] »

cosban wrote: post #239
cryptonector wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might as well just travel with wiped devices. If you're a U.S. person the worst case scenario is they keep them anyways. BUT! if you're NOT a U.S. person do keep in mind that CBP takes wiped devices (and lack of devices) as suspicious in itself, and may deny you entry.

Under this concern, perhaps the if being used in "honeypot" mode, it could act as a reverse vault. Rather than setting up what you don't want people to see, you would instead set what you do want them to see. Regardless, implementation details would probably be better for a different topic.

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Re: New DHS policy on demands for passwords to travelers’ electronic devices

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Post by ComodoHacker »

danjoc wrote: post #227
ComodoHacker wrote: post #221

An obvious solution is to upload your data to a cloud service before passing the border and download them later. Will that be declared a contraband soon?

I trust my country more than I trust Google/iCloud/Dropbox/etc. I'll take my chances.

What you really should trust is strong encryption with keys managed by yourself.

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Post by mulmen »

mLuby wrote: post #218
_jal wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People need to push back. I know there's risk, but if you take this shit, they just keep pushing. I will be traveling with throwaway, obviously tailored devices with insulting passwords, lock-screens and documents and a huge pile of encrypted chaff. Let them document me as a troublemaker. Better, let them document hundreds of thousands of us as troublemakers. CBP and ICE have been drifting towards authoritarian-shith…

I understand your desire to push back. Having "opted out" at TSA checkpoints for a year, I can tell you that the righteous feeling does little to counteract annoyance from fellow travelers (especially those in my own party). Yes, en masse it would be effective, but until then it's not worth the individual effort IMO. Anyway, governments can't tolerate explicit affronts to their authority. The better course of action…

This is an argument against representative democracy and assumes that we are already essentially at war with our government. Civil disobedience has a long and successful history in this country. The rule of law still stands. Establishing privacy measures as tool of criminals operating outside the law does no good.

TSA/DHS needs to be lobotomized/euthanized. Vote.

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