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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by leeoniya »

i just bought a Volkswagen, which comes with Car-Net, which apparently relays telemetry to Verizon Telematics via a 3G connection. oh and there's a gps reciever and an in-car microphone.

their privacy policy is scary.

https://carnet.vw.com/web/vwcwp/privacy-policy

dealer refuses to disable or remove this carnet module. their "solution" is to tell me just not to sign up for the services. ummm..lol no. needless to say i'm taking matters into my own hands via vw message boards and:

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/

may have to physically remove the module and/or neuter the antenna.

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Post by gumby »

wutbrodo wrote: post #37
tzakrajs wrote: post #22

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And vacation sweepstakes, and shitty recruiters, and IRS scams, and... This must be the elephant in the room. Traditional telephony has become dominated by bad actors. They hit a critical mass and now my phone app is a waste of space.

I've always found it weird how everyone I know seems much more cautious about phone usage than me: for example, I've never understood why people don't answer numbers they don't recognize. I'm slowly realizing that this is because apparently people are inundated with spam calls? I think I may have received one solitary spam call in my entire life. I can't really account for the discrepancy

> I've always found it weird how everyone I know seems much more cautious about phone usage than me

I wouldn't say I'm cautious, it's simply that if it were important, why would you call?

I basically consider phone calls as unimportant as paper letters. Check in on them every few weeks.

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Post by kalleboo »

whatshisface wrote: post #151
tomjen3 wrote: post #119

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I was about to comment, it is very annoying to write on a tablet for any kind of school length work. I would hate to write an essay on a tablet. Then I realized I have installed Dragon on this computer, and there wasn't even a reason for me to type this reply. So I will risk a guess and assume that in the future essays will be spoken, not written. No doubt there will be an epic fight over this, as people try to defen…

Hello, computer. Integer main open parenthesis void close parenthesis open squigly brace. Newline. Bob, find some earphones and stop complaining. I'm​ not the one that pushed for open-plan. Computer, please delete the previous paragraph. Standard colon colon cee out less than less than double quote capital hello world exclamation point double quote semi-colon. Newline. Close squigly brace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc

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Post by JoBrad »

NeutronBoy wrote: post #222
will_hughes wrote: post #199

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> You bought a Google phone Wileyfox make their own phones and Android rom. It's not really a Google phone (it may have Google Play Services, but that's different). The third party dialler app in this case was not provided by the ROM maker, but by a third party who gathers tracking data from usage of the dialler app. The ROM maker disabled/removed the stock dialler app from their ROM. If it was an opt in feature, the…

I understand. At the end of the article, he tries to make the point that having everything pluggable is a problem with Android devices. In reality, it's that flexibility that enables a manufacturer like Wileyfox to even release a unique product.

He seemed to be making a slightly different point: allowing core functionality to be completely removed makes the user experience less reliable.

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Post by nkrisc »

alasdair_ wrote: post #118
nkrisc wrote: post #101

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Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

It's more fun when they try to swipe the TV and can't understand why it doesn't work the same way.

I've seen a toddler try to swipe on a magazine. It was both hilarious and enlightening.

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Post by zanny »

abecedarius wrote: post #105
nkrisc wrote: post #12

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I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

In the early 2000s I was excited about the potential of networked handhelds. Then disappointed when it turned out they'd be phones. I wonder if there's some branch of the wave function where an open PC-style architecture won.

Not sure if having the public consciousness think of these devices differently would help to stop the gross freedom violations they impose. Even traditional IBM PCs are trending towards draconian lockdown to one OS with an extraordinary amount of proprietary code run in firmware and even in the CPU itself, much like how cellular modems (and SSD controllers) work.

It is more that the broad userbase doesn't care, and there isn't enough "putting money where your mouth is" to get good economies of scale on freedom respecting computer hardware, regardless of form factor.

So the lockdown of "phones" is more a symptom of broad technological illiteracy rather than a cause.

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Post by exadeci »

gruez wrote: post #4

https://www.wileyfox.com/the-brand >UNRIVALLED PRIVACY AND SECURITY >Choose precisely the data you wish to share; protect apps with additional PINs; prevent spam with Truecaller Integrated Dialler. So their idea of privacy is privacy from everyone except the manufacturer (and "trusted" third parties) >Of course, you can always root the phone and install custom roms. But this process takes some time and the developmen…

Yeah and they don't make the phones they just slap a logo and a rom in a Chinese made phone probably from Pegatron.

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Post by mmmBacon »

I was out riding motorcycles with a friend. He went down and was pretty broken up. As the ambulance loaded him up, I tried to use his Android phone to call his wife to let her know he had been hurt and what hospital he was being taken to. It was a stressful situation but I could not find the phone function at first easily (no idea which distribution). The phone function is still really important!

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Post by neeleshs »

viraptor wrote: post #169
stuaxo wrote: post #160

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Mobile is short for mobile phone. I think most people are most likely to say "bring your phone", rather than "bring your mobile".

Depends on a country. Mobile is popular as well.

Yeah. Mobile and cell are both popular in India , in that order
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