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Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by eip »

WalterSear wrote: post #35
Havoc wrote: post #14

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>bit sensationalized...This excerpt..."Abuse by young professionals" I don't think so. I'm in one of those environments where long hours are common and it definitely does happen. There are also people using a mix of uppers & downers (need the uppers to be wide awake but then can't sleep when at home hence downers). Hell I'm doing a vaguely similar thing (just with coffee and melatonin). Add a bit of anti-depressants…

I'd also not recommend melatonin, but not for the reason that the other poster gave, which suggest that they are taking melatonin in the amounts that it is formulated at pharmacies, which is usually orders of magnitude that of the recommended dose, and probably too late in the evening (>Don't However, after taking it for several years on most days, I developed heart palpitations and other strange sensations. They dis…

> I developed heart palpitations

http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/magnesium-the-ultimat...

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by reitanqild »

teslabox wrote: post #236
reitanqild wrote: post #217

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Two pointers, assuming good faith: * Many didn't cope. * Also there were more physical work to be done.

When children are put in unnatural environments that are totally incompatible with the way children's minds actually work, they will not do well. Children should be actively learning, but school puts them in desks. I could have been diagnosed as ADHD in college. This was not a biological problem, but that I didn't care about my classes. Stimulants might have helped me focus better, but ... why? Robert Whitaker [1], a…

> Robert Whitaker [1], author of Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic, has looked into these matters, and concluded that the medications make people's conditions worse.

Sure, I agree that the school isn't making it any better but lashing out against the things that work in lessening the pain given our current theoretical overload?

Remember, we don't need to go further back than my childhood before woodworking and sewing was a school subject, as was cooking (yeap, real food: fish, meat and vegs).

One generation back and my dad grew up with a work horse, dairy cows, dairy goats and sheep. And so on and so on.

Evolution doesn't move that fast. Banning or further restricting (i.e. beyond todays standard where you need something line 7 years of medical scool) the best solutions we have doesn't sound like something I would support.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by llamataboot »

yarou wrote: post #148
llamataboot wrote: post #63

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You must know different people than I do if everyone you know taking amphetamines is always taking them at low-levels ;)

I know people of all kinds. People that have blown out their kidneys and livers from drinking excessively until they vomited blood. I also know people that responsibly enjoy maybe one or two glasses of wine daily and have no real health issues. It really depends on the individual, but amphetamines are no more dangerous than legal drugs. Why is ephedrine easily available OTC but not levo/dextroamphetamine?

oh I agree completely. not to mention those nasty dangerous benzedrex inhalers. I'm all for full legalization of all substances combined with harm reduction and education.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by Havoc »

iumtuip2001 wrote: post #116
Havoc wrote: post #89

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>I'd also not recommend melatonin Yeah I'm aware that its not ideal. Come to think of it I actually told myself I'd stop once peak season is over so I guess thats now. First need to get rid of the coffee though then the falling asleep will be fine. >take it ~3 hours before going to bed I thought 1 hour?

How much coffee are you drinking? Some intense exercise (7+ mile runs) will wipe you out. I'd recommend you keep the coffee, and get your body moving. Allocate 1 hour of your day, to 120+ bpm workouts. Just TRY not to sleep.

>How much coffee are you drinking?

Not a huge amount. Probably like 2-3 good strength cups.

>Some intense exercise (7+ mile runs) will wipe you out.

Yeah been getting some exercise, but I find it keeps me awake if its too close to bedtime.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by WalterSear »

eip wrote: post #241
WalterSear wrote: post #35

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I'd also not recommend melatonin, but not for the reason that the other poster gave, which suggest that they are taking melatonin in the amounts that it is formulated at pharmacies, which is usually orders of magnitude that of the recommended dose, and probably too late in the evening (>Don't However, after taking it for several years on most days, I developed heart palpitations and other strange sensations. They dis…

> I developed heart palpitations http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/magnesium-the-ultimat...

Thanks for this, I get plenty of magnesium. I'm reasonably certain that the extended melatonin use was a primary cause, in my case.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by teslabox »

reitanqild wrote: post #242
teslabox wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When children are put in unnatural environments that are totally incompatible with the way children's minds actually work, they will not do well. Children should be actively learning, but school puts them in desks. I could have been diagnosed as ADHD in college. This was not a biological problem, but that I didn't care about my classes. Stimulants might have helped me focus better, but ... why? Robert Whitaker [1], a…

> Robert Whitaker [1], author of Mad in America and Anatomy of an Epidemic, has looked into these matters, and concluded that the medications make people's conditions worse. Sure, I agree that the school isn't making it any better but lashing out against the things that work in lessening the pain given our current theoretical overload? Remember, we don't need to go further back than my childhood before woodworking an…

> Banning or further restricting [...] the best solutions we have doesn't sound like something I would support.

The solutions offered by the medical profession are far from the best solutions we have, they're what are profitable for the medical-industrial establishment to offer.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by thisguy666 »

WalterSear wrote: post #233
thisguy666 wrote: post #221

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Narcotic is an actual word with an actual definition that is completely appropriate in this scenario. This is no way sensationalized.

Stimulants don't put you to sleep.

Are you joking? They can and that is part of the reason they are given to REAL ADHD patients.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by thisguy666 »

thisguy666 wrote: post #225
dsabanin wrote: post #133

Comments on this thread are insightful, people on amphetamine defending their way of life.

+1

awesome how one can get voted down on hacker news like this. there is nothing incorrect or even mean stated here. you just don't like what is being said about you. the moderators on this site are so screwed up.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by thisguy666 »

thisguy666 wrote: post #223
InclinedPlane wrote: post #188

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"Regardless of your neurological makeup" This is where you go off the rails. Neurology makes a huge difference in the effect of many drugs, and there has been a tremendous amount of research backing that up. Just because you personally can't believe it doesn't mean it's not true.

^ fact. again the amount of ignorance to drugs displayed in this thread is frightening. people who have only used amphetamines for less than 10 years, or drugs at all, telling us all about them. facepalm.

again moderated by people who don't like what is being said. not for any other reason. this is so wrong.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Post by WalterSear »

Havoc wrote: post #244
iumtuip2001 wrote: post #116

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How much coffee are you drinking? Some intense exercise (7+ mile runs) will wipe you out. I'd recommend you keep the coffee, and get your body moving. Allocate 1 hour of your day, to 120+ bpm workouts. Just TRY not to sleep.

>How much coffee are you drinking? Not a huge amount. Probably like 2-3 good strength cups. >Some intense exercise (7+ mile runs) will wipe you out. Yeah been getting some exercise, but I find it keeps me awake if its too close to bedtime.

I used to drink about that much. Any amount after noon, and I would have trouble sleeping.
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