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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by pc86 »

copsarebastards wrote: post #233
WildUtah wrote: post #180

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Jogging, fried chicken, and coffee shops. Yup. You'd be paying fines and penalties if you posted this from the USA. I doubt there'd be criminal prosecution under 42 USC unless you repeatedly continued posting this kind of content after warnings, but that is not legal advice. It's illegal for anyone involved in the housing or real estate industries to propagate racist information. Also it's illegal to advocate racist…

Ugh, P.C. white people annoy me. You're not better than a racist, you're just better intentioned. Why on earth would we that poverty and fried chicken (and black people) aren't associated? Racism begets poverty, and poverty begets lack of nutritional education and resources, which causes black people to consume more cheap, fatty foods. Throw in a lot of southern and caribbean cultures, and that equates to fried chick…

I don't know what in the world you're on about, fried chicken is delicious no matter what color your skin is.

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Post by pc86 »

hussong wrote: post #199
WildUtah wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jogging, fried chicken, and coffee shops. Yup. You'd be paying fines and penalties if you posted this from the USA. I doubt there'd be criminal prosecution under 42 USC unless you repeatedly continued posting this kind of content after warnings, but that is not legal advice. It's illegal for anyone involved in the housing or real estate industries to propagate racist information. Also it's illegal to advocate racist…

Are jogging, fried chicken and coffee shops clear signals for specific parts of the population outside the US as well? I live in Berlin and would have trouble correlating any of the above with distinct subsets of the population -- all kinds of people from natives to immigrants, young and old, rich and poor go jogging, eat fried chicken (or Döner) and have coffee.

Fried chicken is general is associated with African Americans, particularly of lower-middle or lower status. Coffee shops in general are associated with younger, upper-middle class white people.

That's not to say there aren't areas where it doesn't hold true very often, but that's the general sentiment.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by pc86 »

verbatim wrote: post #202
drdeca wrote: post #184

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Wait, What? There is a law against giving racist real estate advice? That, isn't actually true, is it? You are joking? Is that actually true?!

I've seen a friend ask vague questions trying to determine what kind of population lived in an apartment complex she was interested in renting from, and quickly get blanket responses not wanting to answer such questions, with references to the Fair Housing Act. I don't recall all of the exact details, but, to your general question, I think the answer is at least "yeah, sometimes".

Why was it relevant to your friend what the demographics of her neighbors would be?

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Post by protomyth »

dragonwriter wrote: post #234
protomyth wrote: post #231

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"It absolutely is not illegal to provide answers to that question more directly when selling real estate" As applied in the US (not the original article, but I suspect where nsxwolf is talking about), the Federal Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) would prohibit certain questions from being answered. http://www.jmls.edu/clinics/fairhousing/pdf/fair-housing-pri...

> As applied in the US (not the original article, but I suspect where nsxwolf is talking about), the Federal Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) would prohibit certain questions from being answered. I can't find anything in your source to support that claim that answering questions would be prohibited, in fact, it seems to directly contradict the claim about merely providing an opinion on sc…

It comes under the racial steering section

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mesozoic wrote: post #211
TeMPOraL wrote: post #201

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Could any of you please tell what's MSG?

Monosodium glutamate you can get it in a powder like salt. It is a seasoning that provides "the essence of flavor" or umami flavoring which makes lots of bland stuff taste way better without necessarily having lots of salt. Some claim it is bad for the health or causes MSG symptom complex with an array of common conditions like headaches but there's little to no scientific evidence that this isn't psychosomatic. http…

Oh so that's the powder that guy on the street is adding when preparing my meal... Thanks. I didn't know about it before.

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Post by defen »

nemo44x wrote: post #172
Implicated wrote: post #58

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Same principle applies to 'big chain' type retailers and such. If the local grocery stores aren't large regional chain stores... likely not a good area.

What does "likely not a good area" mean? In NYC there are plenty of "nice areas" that don't have major chain stores. In many cities this is the case. I grow tired of the underlying racism people exhibit (such as yours) without even being aware of it. You're probably not a blatant racist but I think a lot of people from mainstream white culture need to start inspecting and criticizing their view of the world a bit mor…

> What does "likely not a good area" mean

Street crime (muggings / random unprovoked assaults); petty vandalism; burglary; schools where your kid will get beat up for exhibiting the slightest amount of intellectual curiosity or non-standard behaviors / appearance.

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Post by oneJob »

plonh wrote: post #153
oneJob wrote: post #147

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Here's to hoping that you're just trolling. Your reply injects very specific racial and socio-economic biases as if they were already assumed and understood. Which, in this context, is basically racism.

How can you accuse parent of injecting biases, when the parent was reacting to the claim of racism?

I spent one sentence (the middle one) out of the three sentences in my reply explaining why I thought it could be (please note, "could be", as in, I did not say it was, as in, I did not accuse) interpreted as such. My reasoning was perfectly explicit and plain.

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Post by mtdewcmu »

myth_buster wrote: post #124
smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home. This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to their offspring. An interesting argument in one of the Quora thread about being rich was that financial freedom let'…

There's a simple economic explanation for why poor people might do less jogging. Jogging is a luxury activity: it takes time and energy, without producing any income; it doesn't get you a job or take care of the kids. If you are struggling just to get by, it wouldn't necessarily be a wise expenditure of energy.

Poor people also tend to live in dangerous neighborhoods, which can make jogging a bad idea.

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Post by weaksauce »

pc86 wrote: post #242
hussong wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are jogging, fried chicken and coffee shops clear signals for specific parts of the population outside the US as well? I live in Berlin and would have trouble correlating any of the above with distinct subsets of the population -- all kinds of people from natives to immigrants, young and old, rich and poor go jogging, eat fried chicken (or Döner) and have coffee.

Fried chicken is general is associated with African Americans, particularly of lower-middle or lower status. Coffee shops in general are associated with younger, upper-middle class white people. That's not to say there aren't areas where it doesn't hold true very often, but that's the general sentiment.

Is that group still called "African Americans" when they are born and raised in England?

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Post by sbochins »

drdeca wrote: post #184
WildUtah wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jogging, fried chicken, and coffee shops. Yup. You'd be paying fines and penalties if you posted this from the USA. I doubt there'd be criminal prosecution under 42 USC unless you repeatedly continued posting this kind of content after warnings, but that is not legal advice. It's illegal for anyone involved in the housing or real estate industries to propagate racist information. Also it's illegal to advocate racist…

Wait, What? There is a law against giving racist real estate advice? That, isn't actually true, is it? You are joking? Is that actually true?!

Of course not. Many of the documents still in circulation stipulate that houses cannot be sold to black people. That was the law for many districts and FHA policy prior to the civil rights movement.
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