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Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

Shivetya wrote: post #63

I am not sure I agree on the two hundred mile threshold, maybe for the family commuter car. however no electric of that range will ever replace the car for trips to grandmas. let alone the price differential between an equivalent gas powered car is going to have to be a lot closer to justify the limitations of an electric.

If you can afford a Tesla, you can afford to rent a gas powered car a few times a year, or more likely you just fly when you are traveling that far. And of course in the US it's pretty common for families to have multiple cars, so you could have one electric and one gas car. I agree that it doesn't handle all use cases for a vehicle, but no car does and it would be pretty foolish to try.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by john_b »

yason wrote: post #180
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #21

Every time Elon Musk makes this kind of announcement, his engineering departments groan. As I understand, they have folks actively managing Musk trying to prevent him from promising the moon :)

It's the engineers' job to resist with good reasoning. It's the visionary's job to convince them that we people only think the impossible things are impossible. That's basically how I do my internal dialogue. I shoot down an idea of mine because it's too brittle, vague, and difficult. But I still want to build that something. So, I keep thinking and end up saying to myself, "Well, maybe I could do something that's li…

> "It's the engineers' job to resist with good reasoning. It's the visionary's job to convince them that we people only think the impossible things are impossible."

While I don't disagree with you, context matters greatly here. This is the same logic of every middle managing pawn or upper management narcissist who self-styles him or herself the "visionary" you describe. Someone like Musk has the technical aptitude and experience to accurately assess what is technologically possible or impossible and estimate how much it will cost and how long it will take. He has also surrounded himself with highly talented technical people who, from what I can tell, he listens to.

Unless someone has previously envisioned and brought to fruition some visionary product or service, we should remember that the most likely explanation for their insistence that the seemingly impossible is possible is some combination of their ignorance, incompetence, and narcissistic delusion.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by dang »

diminoten wrote: post #196
dang wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter how easily the information is found. By "doxing" I meant posting someone's personal details as a way of attacking them. None of us would want that done to ourselves, and we owe the same consideration to others. Nor is it needed for substantive discussion, which is the purpose of HN threads.

Am I doxxing myself by using my last name as my username, or by putting my real name, current position at my company, and my email address in my profile? The problem with your golden rule there is that you make assumptions about what other people want.

> Am I doxxing myself by using my last name as my username, or by putting my real name, current position at my company, and my email address in my profile?

No.

But it's clear that the term "doxxing" (which I've never used before and apparently can't even spell) is a giant distraction. How about we just stick to the point about no personal attacks.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by thro1237 »

stevecalifornia wrote: post #29
acadien wrote: post #17

"self-driving car" and "car capable driving itself on highway under optimal conditions" are 2 totally different things. The real excitement comes when I can tell my car to go pick up the kids from school or drop me off at the airport and then drive itself back home. Anyways this is a great step in the right direction but its not the game changing tech we're all waiting for.

I bought a new car in Sept 2014. It uses radar to do adaptive cruise control all the way down to stop and go. It also uses camera's to sense the lanes and steer to keep lane. Also handles emergency braking and people cutting me off. So basically, I choose the on-ramp and off-ramp and the car does the rest on the highway. I feel like it's the midpoint between a manual car and an autonomous car. After a few months of u…

How about the 2015 Camry fully loaded?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by dang »

Karunamon wrote: post #221
dang wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxing is not allowed on Hacker News.

WTF? Posting public information is now considered doxxing? You don't get much more public than a LinkedIn page.

I have committed a faux pas among the cognoscenti. Message received!

The point, though, is that posting someone else's personal details in order to malign them is a breach of the spirit of this site. I don't see how that could be more obvious. Fortunately, users flagged that comment. Let's have no more of this.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by diminoten »

dang wrote: post #233
diminoten wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I doxxing myself by using my last name as my username, or by putting my real name, current position at my company, and my email address in my profile? The problem with your golden rule there is that you make assumptions about what other people want.

> Am I doxxing myself by using my last name as my username, or by putting my real name, current position at my company, and my email address in my profile? No. But it's clear that the term "doxxing" (which I've never used before and apparently can't even spell) is a giant distraction. How about we just stick to the point about no personal attacks.

I just didn't see what happened above as a personal attack. He referenced his professional experience and someone provided evidence of that career.

But you're right, this is hardly an important issue to me and we could go on about "doxxing" for days, so I'll consider my peace made.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by eclipxe »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #224
eclipxe wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me a few days to "trust" the stop and go system. It is very disconcerting at first, especially since it tends to brake later than I normally would - I had to learn to "just let go" and now it feels very natural. With that being said, there are situations where I can clearly see traffic far ahead is stopped and I would need to slow down soon - in these cases the stop and go system doesn't react quite fast enou…

>in these cases the stop and go system doesn't react quite fast enough and Wait... you, open an open road going full speed at a traffic jam, just sat back and tested if this was going to stop you in time? Without being sure it was going to work?

I had my foot hovering the brake in case it was going to not stop in time. When I say it "breaks way too late" I mean it comes to an abrupt halt, rather than a gradual slow down like I would normally do. There was no chance it was going to run into the car in front of me, but it wasn't too pleasant for drivers behind me

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by cjensen »

heyheyhey wrote: post #56
cjensen wrote: post #43

"Mostly self-driving" just seems crazy to me. As soon as the car is able to drive on a major highway, you're going to have "asleep at the wheel" issues, and the car cannot simply hand back control to the driver. There have been times when I've misjudged my level of tiredness. Drifting out of lane is a good marker that you've screwed up and need to pull over immediately and sleep. Does Tesla have some way to determine…

> Does Tesla have some way to determine wakefulness or to safely pull over if the driver fails to respond? Not sure about Tesla but the technology DOES exist and some cars do currently have it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_drowsiness_detection

Yes, but those ALL work by observing the driver's driving, so that won't work.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by pbreit »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #130
pbreit wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for him directly. That's how he gets amazing stuff done. And clearly it works. If employees aren't up for it, probably best to find something else.

Were you an engineerer or a seller?

PM. So I was on the hook for getting the engineers to deliver the extraordinary requests.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Post by mkal_tsr »

xyz198 wrote: post #197
mkal_tsr wrote: post #175

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> The fulfillment of the job Irrelevant > The privilege to work on cutting edge tech Irrelevant > The satisfaction of their customers > Their salary and so on and so forth Irrelevant, that is/was part of their contract regardless of outcome (otherwise R&D departments wouldn't exist, failure tolerances wouldn't exist, etc). Musk merely gave directive, he didn't implement or do this R&D on his own. Calling this Musk's…

Downvoted for interrupting the circlejerk.

All hail King Musk
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