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Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To opt out uninstall Microsoft's malicious software removal tool.

Ironic name. Software removal tool is malicious.

Debatable. When you install it and agree to the Terms and EULA you agree to allow Microsoft to uninstall software that it deems as malicious. I don't know if that means the tool is malicious.

Most people don't read EULAs. Caveat installing users.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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So let me get this straight. Microsoft got a court order to route all of another entity's DNS traffic to their servers. Giving them the ability to route a metric crap-ton of private traffic through their data centers. For "security". I call shenanigans. I'm also assuming this is why my no-ip domain disappeared this morning, leaving me with no access to my home servers. Perhaps the linux on my servers is considered ma…

Not exactly. > allowing us to identify and route all known bad traffic to the Microsoft sinkhole and classify the identified threats. According to MSFT, they are only looking at known "bad" traffic. You can take their word for it... or not.

That's what they said, but that is not what happened. They couldn't handle the load and every noip hostname stopped working. Every one.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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post #99

This is quite outrageous. I've been using no-ip.com for very legitimate purposes and this will surely result with a lot of breakage. Thanks Microsoft. Thanks a lot.

As another completely legitimate user what strikes me the most with this is how they did their best to basically pull off a sneak attack. I mean really? Microsoft just couldn't be bothered to give any forewarning to the millions of customers who's services they were directly interfering with? Tack on the dubious reasoning and the alleged failure to even contact NOIP at all before having this court order issued and th…

Well, for "bulletproof" hosters that really are complicit in their customers' activities, you need to pull a sneak attack, so the bad actors don't have the chance to switch hosts. So I'm fine with that part of it.

I'm not fine with classifying noip as complicit. It's not.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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What I don't understand and haven't seen anyone ask is, why Microsoft? I mean, obviously some shady legal tactics are at work here, but why did Microsoft got to control those domains instead of, Mozilla for example? or Google? even more so, why wasn't control transferred to ICE for example? Not saying it's a better alternative or even that I agree with it, but it's very VERY unsettling (and I'm not even American) tha…

Apparently because Microsoft went to court to stop it. Google could have tried this, too.

So that would imply a first-come first-served basis? Meaning, whatever companies gets the court order first gets to control a competitor's assets? That's pretty scary.

I hope this process is sufficiently controlled so as to no provoke a "race to control other's assets" of sorts.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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What I don't understand and haven't seen anyone ask is, why Microsoft? I mean, obviously some shady legal tactics are at work here, but why did Microsoft got to control those domains instead of, Mozilla for example? or Google? even more so, why wasn't control transferred to ICE for example? Not saying it's a better alternative or even that I agree with it, but it's very VERY unsettling (and I'm not even American) tha…

Our government has a pretty long track record of privatizing law enforcement (not to mention prisons, warfare, etc...) so it's not surprising to see this handed off to Microsoft. If anything, a company like MS, Google or Mozilla at least has the expertise to do a good job. Still not happy to see it, though.

I agree.

But it's pretty strange that control was not given to the corresponding government authority.

They could then have MS work as "consultants". I don't agree either, but at least that would have made some sort of sense. Maybe even better if it wasn't just one company but a panel of several institutions, including IETF for example, or something like that.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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We are using a no-ip.biz address for the Taipei Hackerspace website (because need DynamicDNS due to stupid settings of our network provider). After the whole day it was still working, I thought we will be not affected. No such luck, microsoftinternetsafety.net took our address as well, and the website + all services associated is inaccessible.

Thanks a lot, M$!

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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post #237

We are using a no-ip.biz address for the Taipei Hackerspace website (because need DynamicDNS due to stupid settings of our network provider). After the whole day it was still working, I thought we will be not affected. No such luck, microsoftinternetsafety.net took our address as well, and the website + all services associated is inaccessible. Thanks a lot, M$!

Yeah, because who could have guessed that a free dynamic dns service would be used by malware...I mean, that's why I didn't use a proper dns hosting service...Come on! Who's got the 20$ a year for making sure that something they actually care about doesn't do down?

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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post #222

> On June 26, the court granted our request and made Microsoft the DNS authority for the company’s 23 free No-IP domains, allowing us to identify and route all known bad traffic to the Microsoft sinkhole and classify the identified threats. Something about this bothers me. So the courts granted MS the rights to essentially take over No-IP's DNS in order to "identify" ... "bad traffic?" The implications of this are...…

And they say America is a democracy... this is one step away from the courts granting Microsoft the power to take over no-ip's business and domains permanently. Reminds me of the old days of communism when you could have your "property" sized since legally speaking everything belonged to the state. And no you can't say this is different because the courts ordered it since no-ip was not given a chance to defend itself…

That's idiotic. It's not fucking Stalinism...you sir, you are a pant-shitter.

Re: Microsoft takes down No-IP.com domains

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It's just plain outrageous that this court order was granted. It essentially puts no-ip out of business when they were not complicit in anything illegal. It took me 5 minutes to switch my completely legitimate hosts over to ddns.net. I'm sure the evil botnet owners have backup hostnames and will do the same, or more likely switch to another provider entirely. The end result will be a short-lived dip in criminal activ…

> It took me 5 minutes to switch my completely legitimate hosts over to ddns.net. Unfortunately .net is also under the jurisdiction of US courts so it's not any 'safer' from seizure The registry for .info and .mobi is in Ireland, .me is Serbia and Montenegro. Might be worth looking for dynamic DNS options in those TLDs if you seek future-proofing.

How did you do? what was so simple to do in 5 min? Did you redirected your no-ip.org DNS to the ddns.net? How did you do it? thanks
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