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A difference is you don't have to create a WhatsApp account, it just uses your phone number. It is plug and play.
Trivial to implement.
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There are also plenty of companies targeting the US market. The rest of the world? Not so much. To give you an example: there is no reddit equivalent in French. The closest things we have are a few French-speaking subreddits that have very few subscribers since reddit scares people who don't speak English before they can reach the French-speaking subreddits. We also have a few very poor quality reddit rip-offs with n…
Funny story about that. We (reddit) had a long debate about what the default UI and content should be back when we internationalized (2008 I think?). Should we use the Accept-Language header to select both the UI and the content, or just the UI? We started by making the assumption that if your preferred language was French, for example, you'd want French content. We got a ton of feedback from French speakers that the…
In any case I think that if you really wanted to target the French-speaking population, it would be best to have a separate site or at least a clearly separated part of the site.
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> 3) There is real value in the app. No one needs to question this. There's no big pitch deck's, presentations, etc.The app was allowed to grow organically due to its network affect. The business can scale into the millions and billions of users. Can you explain this one? Something that seems to have been lost in all the hype is how yet another messaging app is somehow novel, innovative, or exciting. Is this somehow…
His 3rd point was regarding the value of the app. I think we can agree on it's usefulness, but your concern was Whatsapp's novelty. The part that's indisputable is the massive and active user base. The real question is whether Whatsapp can retain their users, due to it's novelty or despite the lack thereof.
WhatsApp's been around for years; not sure what novelty you are talking about. It's a very classic and straightforward user-base argument: do I know anyone who uses it? Yes, then it's absolutely worth the six SMS it costs me; no? Meh. I personally had it for years, on and off, simply depending (internationally mobile) friends asking: “Communicate via WhatsApp?” It's about as obvious to subscribe as a all-you-can-eat SMS plan.
This. This is the answer I have always looked for. > "But, but, how is WhatsApp any different than iMessage / Facebook Messenger / Hangouts?" I have made this exclamation multiple times, and my friends in India and Singapore and other parts of Asia just turned up their palms with a "I dunno, everyone uses it and told me to get it." I refused to use it since I like to use as few messaging platforms as possible (just G…
Facebook - not everyone has a Facebook account (think parents, young kids), you're not Facebook friends with everyone you know, and you don't _want_ to be Facebook friends with everyone you need to contact. I think they have been trying to change this on Facebook Messenger, but still, you need a Facebook account, and that's a line that many people refuse to cross on principle.
Hangouts - not everyone has Google account, because they use another email provider (Hotmail, Yahoo, ISP), and don't want to get "a Gmail account" just to use it. Granted, this might work great for Android users, but in practice, nobody uses this here (except maybe for multi-party video conferencing). Practically don't see iPhone users on Hangouts either; it is very much associated with Android (and hiding in the background, many people don't even know they're logged in because they don't use it, and nobody uses it to contact them).
iMessage - doesn't work on Android. Yes, there are many iPhones in the world, but you are incredibly selective about who you need to contact if they all have iMessage. But granted, this works quite transparently between iPhones.
Now, iMessage (and Viber) is probably the closest to the 0-step-to-add-contact way of WhatsApp. Because there's no process to do that, there's no contact-request 'approval' required from the other side, there's no friction. You add someone to your phone book, they show up in WhatsApp, you send a message or add them to a group. That's it.
It is a lot easier to teach folks to use WhatsApp just because of this. It's about as complicated to use as your platform's built-in SMS client. It is a huge contrast with the 101 features of WeChat, and to a lesser extent, LINE. WeChat is _huge_ with the PRC community here, but that's about it. Everyone else is on WhatsApp.
Viber is probably the next in line, but due to WhatsApp's network effects, it just didn't take off. Sure, it has internet voice calls, but it's known for being a little flakey on the call quality, and by default its notifications can be a bit annoying. WhatsApp never pops things up unless someone sent you a message.
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There are also plenty of companies targeting the US market. The rest of the world? Not so much. To give you an example: there is no reddit equivalent in French. The closest things we have are a few French-speaking subreddits that have very few subscribers since reddit scares people who don't speak English before they can reach the French-speaking subreddits. We also have a few very poor quality reddit rip-offs with n…
Funny story about that. We (reddit) had a long debate about what the default UI and content should be back when we internationalized (2008 I think?). Should we use the Accept-Language header to select both the UI and the content, or just the UI? We started by making the assumption that if your preferred language was French, for example, you'd want French content. We got a ton of feedback from French speakers that the…
It would be a different story if the content available was comparable, but it usually isn't.
Facebook paid 16B Dollars for 400,000,000 active phone numbers and all the personal info bound to them. It's not the app itself it's the data, you know it well too.
That's not the case. WhatsApp barely holds any data. The user doesn't have to give over their personal details. It ties them to their mobile number & messages are stored only until they're pushed to the client. Once pushed they are then removed from WhatsApp servers.
There were some recent papers on algorithms how to do it, and they managed to match ~90% of 'anonymous phone numbers based on the facebook graph data. You stay anonymous only if all your friends and their friends care about anonymity as well.
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Trivial to implement.
Yes, everything about WhatsApp is so trivial that Facebook with their billions and billionaires and 1000's of high-quality engineers decided to spend 18 B illion dollars on it. But of course they're all dumbasses because you say it's all 'trivial', right?
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Funny story about that. We (reddit) had a long debate about what the default UI and content should be back when we internationalized (2008 I think?). Should we use the Accept-Language header to select both the UI and the content, or just the UI? We started by making the assumption that if your preferred language was French, for example, you'd want French content. We got a ton of feedback from French speakers that the…
That's interesting. I think your decision makes sense, since your french users all speak English and you have much more content in English. In fact it personally irks me when I see reddit's UI in French (for example when I'm not logged in) because I'd rather have the whole site in English than parts of it in French. In any case I think that if you really wanted to target the French-speaking population, it would be be…
There's one for every supported language.