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Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #34

Let's not forget Symbian and Blackberry either. WhatsApp also runs on those. I don't think starting a new Blackberry, Symbian or J2ME project today is really a good idea, though. It takes at least a few years for a company to make an exit, and by the time you do, those burning platforms will have flamed out.

Symbian has been forgotten about, even by Nokia.

That won't make people change that hard bought handsets.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

#42

Let's not forget Symbian and Blackberry either. WhatsApp also runs on those. I don't think starting a new Blackberry, Symbian or J2ME project today is really a good idea, though. It takes at least a few years for a company to make an exit, and by the time you do, those burning platforms will have flamed out.

It absolutely makes sense to work on a J2ME app today if you have a product aimed at developing nations. They won't be swimming in smartphones any time soon.

Low end Android phones are approaching feature phones in price.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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As of today: Smartphones outsold feature phones for this first time ever in India. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/samsung-smartphones-outse... From my personal experiences, international countries that have smartphone adoption use Viber, and the feature phone countries use WhatsApp.

WhatsApp is also really strong here in Germany and other parts of Europe. More of my friends are on WhatsApp than Facebook (only very few more though).

I live in Germany and must be a very poor soul as I only know one person with WhatsApp and dozens with Viber.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #19

Facebook paid 16B Dollars for 400,000,000 active phone numbers and all the personal info bound to them. It's not the app itself it's the data, you know it well too.

That's not the case. WhatsApp barely holds any data. The user doesn't have to give over their personal details. It ties them to their mobile number & messages are stored only until they're pushed to the client. Once pushed they are then removed from WhatsApp servers.

I'm curious: how do you know that they're removed?

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Background notifications too? I'm surprised - I wrote a Twitter client in 2009, and I couldn't find a way to make that work. I didn't think J2ME could do that at all, to be honest.

Even I dont know exactly how it works. I think Nokia gave them access to some private API.

J2ME is not Nokia specific.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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i dabbled with some J2ME development back in the day when palm pilots were cool, i even made a basic app for the original (early 2000-ish ) Motorola Razer.. it's not easy at all... i haven't looked for community resources for J2ME in years but back then i could find hardly any...

And out of curiosity I decided to search for J2ME on my laptop and Google had very little resources except official Oracle docs and a Java blog tutorial ... from 2005. Good times. https://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2005/02/09/j2me1.html

Android killed J2ME, this is where all Java developers moved to.

Oracle still tries to push J2ME, but the opportunity is gone.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Ya.. that is definitely the takeaway. If you address all platforms, your market is suddenly both under served and absolutely huge.

That's the key of Firefox OS. Use well known technology and try to go into these markets.

My problem with Firefox OS is that they don't add any value over what is already possible in modern mobile OS. All of them have a web browser of some sort.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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can someone explain how a free app ends up generating $40 per user?

more importantly, if facebook keeps buying large MAU at costs exceeding their revenues (not profit), at what point will those purchases start generating revenues (if at all)?

at what point will they no longer have money to buy MAU or even generate revenue on those users they purchased and own?

Are we in a new economy now just like 1999?

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