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Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by daliusd »

sirkneeland wrote: post #221
darkmighty wrote: post #190

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The image stabilization and a proper optics set seem nice, but honestly 41MP sensor is practically useless itself. Even professional cameras with high quality sensors are not usually sensor resolution limited - i.e. increasing resolution wouldn't be much use since at the pixel level the image is already at a significant noise level/optics limited. For such a small sensor and f-number, I guess 41MP is not only useless…

RTFWP (Read The F king White Paper) to see how much more this is than just a big sensor.

... and by white paper you mean "marketing material"? I had Nokia PureView 808 and I agree that it is nice and helps making good photos when downscaled. Idea to use sensor in this way is really interesting but in the end that just covers one little thing from many that are important in photography. For the same (if not lower) price you can buy good compact (if it must be pocketable) or system photo camera (if size matters but can be slightly bigger) and enjoy all benefits of photography like high ISO numbers, big sensor (not in megapixels but by area that is more important than megapixels), possibility to change aperture (this one is big for me because of bokeh) and some other.

It is just a little bit bigger sensor in the end with one smart idea that is not contributing much.

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Post by daliusd »

hbharadwaj wrote: post #180
Metrop0218 wrote: post #169

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I doubt it can top this though.

True - I doubt that any of the hardware manufacturers for Android have the technology to top what Nokia did with Lumia 1020. Nokia is completely invested in camera unlike HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc.,

Samsung makes Android cameraphones as far as I know and they do it right IMHO. 41Mp are nice, I don't say anything (I had PureView 808 until I dropped and destroyed it), but it is not the most important thing in photography.

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Post by sgloutnikov »

Steko wrote: post #226
sgloutnikov wrote: post #225

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Apple better than Nokia in build quality? Oh my... Do I need to bring out the drop-tests various blogs have done?

Sure bring whatever you want. The build quality of iphones is attested to in scores of independent reviews and it's not the same thing as drop test resistance.

For me: When a phone 'requires' a case to protect it from gentle use, even of putting it on the table so it will not get scratches is absurd. My iPhone 5 got scratched up before my case arrived, and I was so careful with it. I attribute this to 'build quality' also, it's not just how it feels.

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Post by zimpenfish »

barista wrote: post #102
ctruzzi wrote: post #100

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That's the one part I don't like about it but that's because I go 5-15MPH over the speed limit at all times.

You can always turn that speed warning off if it bothers you.

They could also not be a dick and stick to the speed limit.

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Post by blub »

Steko wrote: post #188
300bps wrote: post #56

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I've had the Lumia 928 for 3 weeks now. My three previous phones were iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s. Part of me wishes that I would've gone Windows Phone sooner but the realistic part of me realizes that Windows Phone 7 was still nowhere near the quality of iOS. Windows Phone 8 is a completely different matter though. It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way. Live tiles, SkyDrive integration (much bett…

"It's superior to my old iPhones in almost every way." Unless you count battery life, GPU, probably CPU, form factor, build quality, the wildly superior app, media and accessory ecosystems. But other than that what have the Cupertianians done for us lately?

Battery, build quality and form factor are not better for the iPhone. Battery's about the same, build quality is similar, but iPhone loses points for being either easy to scratch (black 5) or easy to crack (4, 4S). Apple in general makes stylish but not robust phones. iPhone loses on the form factor because it really has only one that is acceptable - the 5. I am typing this on a 4s and the screen is too small and the shape does not feel as good in the hand as the round polycarbonate Lumias.

CPU and GPU don't seem to be so different subjectively. Both are smooth.

The apps are vastly better on iOS, even the ones that are on both platforms e.g. one cannot insert rows in Excel for WP 7 or add annotations in Kindle. Support seems better for Apple, as Lumia 800 and 900 customers did not get WP8, while the older iPhone 4 will get iOS 7!

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Post by blub »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #191
jimueller wrote: post #140

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HERE is a suite of applications.HERE Maps is ... maps, HERE Drive is the GPS/NAV app, and HERE Transit is public transportation.

And none of them work! I mean, my phone is locked to the Chinese App Store, you'd think the built in apps would at least work here also. Also, who the hell decided to give a bunch of apps the same prefix in an alphabetically ordered list?

Most GPS apps are broken there due to gov rules, you'd have better luck buying a local cheap GPS device.

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Post by rvschuilenburg »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #197
lotso wrote: post #195

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As an iPhone user, I can chime in with my opinion. It looks like the iPhone and 920 battery life are both pretty abysmal http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/phones-3/best-phone-batt... CPU and GPU for the end user isn't important. What is important is the perf of the UI, which WP7/8 have always been buttery smooth when compared to iOS and Android devices with better hardware. I'd also say Nokia is very closely behind…

The battery life metric I care about is: how long will the battery last after I've been using all kinds of weird apps for a year. That's where iPhone seems to excel. On a fresh install of Android, using just one built in app, it seems fine. But eventually the phone fills up with stuff that seems to drain it. Not sure how Windows Phone fares on that front.

In this regard WP8 is very much like iOS and not even close to Android. Apps are 'tombstoned' when they are not the visible app. So no matter how many apps you install, when they're not open, they won't use battery.

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Post by TheAnimus »

untog wrote: post #65
300bps wrote: post #63

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I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well. The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH. Hands down, the built…

Maps app or Driving Navigation app? Because they're extremely different use cases. My experience with Nokia Maps was very poor, but I don't need to drive, so never got to try that out.

>My experience with Nokia Maps was very poor, but I don't need to drive, so never got to try that out.

I'm amazed by that. In London the mapping is top notch, it has pedestrian paths and such which gmaps is missing. However for Soho where bars come and go in weeks, its often out of date for POIs. But as normally if I'm in a place that changes often, I'll have data, that isn't an issue (one can always fall back to gmaps data).

But outside of London Nokia maps are hands down the best I've found. This holds true in the countryside of England, France, Spain, Italy, Morocco, Vietnam... I mean in the middle of nowhere Vietnam, I've good offline all the directions I need to my cycling. Amazing, gmaps didn't even have a road there, and bing, well lets not talk about bing maps. The only one that comes close is the Open Street Map project. But they lack POIs pretty much completely. On my motorbike in Thailand, I had not just Fuel places shown, but also coffee places. With no mobile phone signal...

Whilst I use windows phone as my primary device, I have some uses (SkyDemon) that require me to have an Android too, but I will say that the Nokia mapping is so bloody good, I bought a 720 (as in the UK they were £120 off contract!) for a friend as a travel phone, only for the mapping.

However, I don't use it when driving in the UK, because it doesn't have 'accident black spot warnings' or speed trap locations.

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Post by vanderZwan »

jlarocco wrote: post #228
vanderZwan wrote: post #165

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I do believe Nokia has been very clear that the high megapixels is meant to be used as supersampling to reduce noise in normal sized pictures. They are after all targeting the enthusiast photographer who likes to (believe he) understands how camera's work. Also, from an engineering point of view it's pretty neat: if the idea is to downsize the final picture to 5 mp, while using cropping on the pre-downsampled image t…

No, I'm pretty sure they're going for the "OMG! A lot of mega-pixels, it must be better" crowd. Most enthusiast photographers will realize 41 MP with a tiny, tiny image sensor is going to be pointless.

I highly doubt that, as the 808 has already disproven that statement and has quite the reputation among enthusiast photographers.

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Post by revaaron »

slantyyz wrote: post #82
revaaron wrote: post #70

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First, my statement had to do with the 1/1.2" sensor that Nokia is using. Close in size to the RX100 and Nikon 1, but we can't assume that means the same level of image quality- there's a pretty big gap between the RX100 and Nikon 1 IQ scores, for instance. To your point, I agree. I've seen comparable (and sometimes higher) IQ from my RX100 than I do from various MFT and APS-C DSLR/MILC cams with their kit lenses inc…

I didn't mean to sound like I was rebutting your original point about the 1/1.2" sensor -- Sorry about that. I was just adding to the point about 1" sensors actually being as good as an SLR sensor, which they are. Of course the RX100's optics limit some of its performance, but Sony's 1" sensor and the M43 sensor they sell to Olympus punch well above their weight, equalling or besting some existing APS sensors on the…

What a lot of people forget is that doubling sensor size gets you only one stop in high ISO performance. For raw quality in decent light, 1" seems to be a sweet spot.
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