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Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by jbigelow76 » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:42 PM UTC

martingordon wrote: post #64

slantyyz wrote: post #51

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>> despite the OS For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013? The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008. I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system. I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosy…

The OS doesn't matter; the apps do (at least the few "important" ones). Most notably absent from WP is Instagram, which will be resolved when Hipstamatic launches for the OS.

WP8 is getting a native Vine app, and with Instagram playing "me too" on video this may force them to develop a native WP app.

There is a feature equivalent WP app that uploads to Instagram that is an unofficial Instagram app, can't remember the name now though, but for users that want Instagram the reviews have been good. It's pretty much everything Instragram is sans name.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by slantyyz » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:42 PM UTC

revaaron wrote: post #70

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>> Not quite DSLR quality If you are a big DxOMark fan, you'll find the RX100mk2 scores a 67, while the RX100 scores a 66, which is the same score as a Canon 7D's sensor. And while you may argue that the 7D's sensor is old, Canon's been pumping variations of the 7D sensor into all of their recent APS cameras short of the freshly announced 70D.

First, my statement had to do with the 1/1.2" sensor that Nokia is using. Close in size to the RX100 and Nikon 1, but we can't assume that means the same level of image quality- there's a pretty big gap between the RX100 and Nikon 1 IQ scores, for instance. To your point, I agree. I've seen comparable (and sometimes higher) IQ from my RX100 than I do from various MFT and APS-C DSLR/MILC cams with their kit lenses inc…

I didn't mean to sound like I was rebutting your original point about the 1/1.2" sensor -- Sorry about that.

I was just adding to the point about 1" sensors actually being as good as an SLR sensor, which they are.

Of course the RX100's optics limit some of its performance, but Sony's 1" sensor and the M43 sensor they sell to Olympus punch well above their weight, equalling or besting some existing APS sensors on the market today.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by ladzoppelin » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:44 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

The 928, Windows8 mobile and Nokia Maps are amazing. Best decision I made was waiting for Nokia to get its act together. Windows 8 phone could be the best mobile OS if they release some more APi's for musical production and get some better applications in the market.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by barista » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:45 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #73

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Nokia Maps is _amazing_ and has been since the Symbian days, even more so by the fact that you can download maps beforehand (whole countries) and use them offline. Utterly unparalleled might be a bit harsh.

Google Maps can download maps beforehand, but for some reason it won't let you plan a route without an internet connection. Probably because their route-finding algorithm would crush a phone or something :)

That is definitely a thing that you don't appreciate until you have to use it. We were on road over the long weekend and were lost with no network connection. Thanks to offline maps on my Lumia 920 I was able to find the nearest road offline and get back on road to our destination.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by slantyyz » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:51 PM UTC

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>> 99.9% of people who will buy this phone will never have a need for 41 megapixels. Nokia's really screwing up the messaging on this, as people are fixating on the megapixel count -- they are missing the forest for the trees. The best images you will get out of this phone will actually be the oversampled images, which have significantly fewer megapixels.

41 megapixels can't be nice on a crappy sensor and lenses system. 41 megapixels would be interesting on a real camera unless someone wants to print oversampled stuff.

You don't need to print to see the improvements the oversampled images provide. You should see much cleaner images, especially in low light. These are noticeable even at Facebook level resolutions. Anyone who has used a real camera would know that.

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Post by mtgx » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:52 PM UTC

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I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. They can, but they don't. And Nokia is indisputably the king of Windows Phone world, even though HTC have created some perfectly great devices. It's unlikely that Nokia could ever topple Samsung from the Android top spot.

You can be sure that they will, if WP will get traction thanks to Nokia.

How is WP compelling at all for other OEM's when Nokia has 80 percent of WP's market share? That's much worse than Samsung with 30 percent in the Android market. I wouldn't even consider it worth my time, especially when besides the extremely dominant market share of Nokia within WP market, it also means very few devices per total being sold. the numbers just aren't compelling at all for others. Plus, you have a lot harder time differentiating, too.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by upthedale » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:55 PM UTC

barista wrote: post #84

sp332 wrote: post #73

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Google Maps can download maps beforehand, but for some reason it won't let you plan a route without an internet connection. Probably because their route-finding algorithm would crush a phone or something :)

That is definitely a thing that you don't appreciate until you have to use it. We were on road over the long weekend and were lost with no network connection. Thanks to offline maps on my Lumia 920 I was able to find the nearest road offline and get back on road to our destination.

I recently returned back to the UK from a 2 week long US road trip, covering 2000 miles. We downloaded the Nokia Drive data for the states we were visiting in advance onto my girlfriend's cheap Lumia 710, as we wouldn't have any data connection (not wanting to incur roaming charges). We were utterly dependent on the Nokia Drive app, and it performed exceptionally. Definitely recommended in place of a dedicated satnav.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by superuser2 » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:55 PM UTC

Past a point, more megapixels does not mean more quality. I'd like to see better optics before we pour R&D into sensors.

Re: Nokia Lumia 1020 packs 41-megapixel camera whopper

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Post by tambourine_man » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:57 PM UTC

yread wrote: post #69

This video makes a good job demonstrating how the 41 MPs work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUMNm9-dgJ0 My only complaint is that it is a bit slower than my compact..

that's how we reinvented Zoom

It's called cropping, and it's been around forever.

Does it save RAW? If not, it's useless to me.

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Post by atwebb » Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 5:57 PM UTC

ladzoppelin wrote: post #83

untog wrote: post #2

As someone who takes a lot of photos with my phone, this interests me a lot. Though as someone who has previously used Windows Phone, I'm very skeptical about going back to it. This is the first device that makes me wonder about Nokia's WP-exclusive decision. They didn't go with Android to avoid becoming "yet another" Android manufacturer, and I agree with that sentiment (look at how few are turning a profit). Howeve…

The 928, Windows8 mobile and Nokia Maps are amazing. Best decision I made was waiting for Nokia to get its act together. Windows 8 phone could be the best mobile OS if they release some more APi's for musical production and get some better applications in the market.

I've got to echo these sentiments, I've got a 900 and am "upgrading" today to a 920. It's a killer phone, I've really enjoyed it, though I came from the BB Torch so...