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Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by PunchTornado »

kragen wrote: post #106
PunchTornado wrote: post #72

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Do you know what a ghost gun is? Where is the misdetection?

In the US, the term is used to mean firearms that are legal to manufacture but not to sell, because they do not have serial numbers for tracing. The misdetection would be if the Waymo cameras did not have sufficient resolution to see the serial number on the firearm, or if the firearm serial number were concealed, for example by being locked inside of a carrying case, as is the standard practice for responsible firea…

But regarding this specific case, where is the misdetection? Why would you enter a taxi with a ghost gun?

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Post by ethbr1 »

a4isms wrote: post #165
monster_truck wrote: post #86

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We used to do this and more with nerf guns, laser tag, and then paintball guns. You're not going to believe this but we even used to be able to ride our bikes 30 miles away from home without our parents being arrested. We played with fire in the park too. One time we even found porn there dude The 90s were lit Nah you're right tho let's imagine the worst case scenario. What if that person in the waymo had a nuclear b…

Don't talk to me about the 90s if you weren't soaking a tennis ball in lighter fluid and firing the flaming missile out of a "potato gun" made out of beer cans... in the 70s. Also something about all the kids trying to imitate Evil Knievel and jumping their bikes off ramps made out of planks and milk crates... Without protective gear of any kind. Everyone who got out of that decade alive and with at most minimal brai…

> Everyone who got out of that decade alive and with at most minimal brain damage thinks that we're too obsessed with safety today.

There must be a word for this, but the issue today is the normalization of zero-risk.

Did some kids likely die because of the shenanigans free range kids were allowed in the 70s - 90s?

Sure!

Were those kids as cohorts on the whole better off because of the freedom they were allowed at formative years?

I'd be hard pressed to argue against that...

Sometimes it takes a few broken eggs (or children) to make an omelette (a responsible and creative adult).

Maximize the good to each individual, but only up until it begins impacting the good of the many.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by kragen »

PunchTornado wrote: post #231
kragen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, the term is used to mean firearms that are legal to manufacture but not to sell, because they do not have serial numbers for tracing. The misdetection would be if the Waymo cameras did not have sufficient resolution to see the serial number on the firearm, or if the firearm serial number were concealed, for example by being locked inside of a carrying case, as is the standard practice for responsible firea…

But regarding this specific case, where is the misdetection? Why would you enter a taxi with a ghost gun?

Possibly to go to the shooting range, or to your job as a security guard? Or, in the cases of less conspicuous ghost guns than the AK-47 purportedly involved in this case, to carry on you for self-defense? All of these are common and legal in the US in general, whatever I may think about their ethical implications.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by Arainach »

m4rtink wrote: post #229
Arainach wrote: post #219

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Among the reasons are that kids (and some adults) are idiots. That's it, it's not income inequality or rage at the system, some people just break things because they think it's funny. That's not something you can fix, so you have to guard against it in other ways.

Is't that just bad education or parenting in the end ? I don t think many people with good parents & education would be essentially insane to break thinks just for fun. In general, I think you kinda need to fix people rather than make the environment basically so hostile to everyone, to prevent a small group of people from breaking it. Not saying its easy, but in my the only correct way.

I don't agree with your claim, but assuming you're right: Do you think that trying to solve "bad parenting" is less intrusive than cameras in robotaxis?

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Post by sellmesoap »

Lifetrajectory wrote: post #223
sellmesoap wrote: post #98

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Or worse the waymo gets put in to 'gang mode' by someone bribed on the inside, the car rolls the window down for the drive by, delivers the duffle bags of drugs, auto darkens the windows for a drive by kidnapping, think of the UX possibilities!

Even in the analog world, every situation can be exploited for criminal purposes. The Waymo initiative initially reduces the potential for harm. Is everything else just speculation?

Well you can go in the direction of Cory Doctorow's Attack Surface where self driving cars are hacked to attack people, or openBSD is the OS of self driving cars and crime only receives placid self driven transport from the nice self driving cars and the proceeds and weapons of crime are carried in a way to avoid the scrutiny of the car's internal cameras. Or... there's so many cameras that crime evolves into micro-crime: the gamBean-o family resorts to fraudulent video surveillance attestation so they can build and use unauthorized micro drones to slip laxatives into the meals of their sworn enemies and rivals. It's fun to speculate :D

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by Arainach »

gusgus01 wrote: post #220
Arainach wrote: post #200

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On the contrary, we have a long history of evidence that when people think they aren't being watched, enough of them will do awful things. This is why public restrooms in the US are vandalized, why there are low effort graffiti tags all over, litter in parks, and more. People believing that something is watching - a human or machine with the autonomy to enact consequences - preserves the commons for the rest of us.

As much as I disagree with it, graffiti is an interesting topic. A lot of graffiti proponents fully believe that they are beautifying the environment by making it human, and even continue doing it as the level of effort to bypass the consequences go up. They don't believe it to be an awful thing (though I'm sure some do, plus some have other motivations, plus some are lying to themselves about their motivations, etc,…

I enjoy murals and graffiti art. Taggers who just put their names on walls, however, are a cancer

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by [deleted] »

ethbr1 wrote: post #232
a4isms wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't talk to me about the 90s if you weren't soaking a tennis ball in lighter fluid and firing the flaming missile out of a "potato gun" made out of beer cans... in the 70s. Also something about all the kids trying to imitate Evil Knievel and jumping their bikes off ramps made out of planks and milk crates... Without protective gear of any kind. Everyone who got out of that decade alive and with at most minimal brai…

> Everyone who got out of that decade alive and with at most minimal brain damage thinks that we're too obsessed with safety today. There must be a word for this, but the issue today is the normalization of zero-risk. Did some kids likely die because of the shenanigans free range kids were allowed in the 70s - 90s? Sure! Were those kids as cohorts on the whole better off because of the freedom they were allowed at fo…

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Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by mingus88 »

ethanwillis wrote: post #155
mingus88 wrote: post #102

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I’m anti surveillance but I don’t get this take. Every uber driver I’ve been ive been in has an inside dashcam to protect themselves and their property. I would do the same thing if I were them. Waymo has every right to monitor their property and if someone does something illegal in their car why would they not report? An Uber driver would do the same, as would I. Otherwise you are an accomplice. This comparison to F…

But what if I've done nothing illegal and they only think I have?

Again, I believe every private citizen should keep their own footage for exactly this reason.

Other people’s footage will only be used against you.

It is a real big shame that Meta is the only one pushing personal video capture right now. It has tainted the idea of personal surveillance as a counter to all this madness.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by LorenPechtel »

OroPla wrote: post #228
LorenPechtel wrote: post #169

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Clearly toy guns. Gun-like, but nobody with the slightest understanding of guns would think they were real. I have no problem with kids having toy guns. I do have a problem with kids in public having realistic replica guns. Bright orange isn't enough. I think the answer is that other than in organized events realistic replicas should be subject to the same restrictions on actions that real guns are.

Toy guns back then: https://i.imgur.com/2DQnhNC.jpeg

Never saw those, but from the picture that looks too small to be a real gun.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by OroPla »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #239
OroPla wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toy guns back then: https://i.imgur.com/2DQnhNC.jpeg

Never saw those, but from the picture that looks too small to be a real gun.

How about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbYlrSRhsZk
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