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Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by Lumich »

leonidasrup wrote: post #189
Lumich wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

« Russia can retreat into their internationally recognized borders at any time. » The US has around 900 military bases abroad. Far more than all other countries combined. These bases are a constant source of threats and bullying, deploying and projecting a GDP largely based on death and destruction. Why don't the US retreat into their internationally recognized borders?

As the current situation in Middle East shows, these military bases loose their military function very fast in 21st century.

Yes, the increased effectiveness of cheap weapons is positive for the global underdogs. And the enormous military network the US entertains is costly. Which is why they have vassals (to foot the bills, at least in part). We'll see how this is going to develop – development of effective counter-measures shouldn't be ruled out.

If “nukes” existed many of these bases, being somewhat removed from human settlements, could be destroyed much more effectively and without much “collateral damage”. As the US and NATO hide behind Ukraine, other “players” could hide behind just any type of “terrorist”, just as the US/UK have done again and again.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by Lumich »

somenameforme wrote: post #230
ben_w wrote: post #225

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> You can see data on US LNG imports to the EU here. [1] After the invasion they more than tripled with the US now accounting for more than 58% of EU imports. Gas prices are up more than 10x relative to their lowest lowest in the 2020 before the war. [2] The EU was most certainly a growth market, if Russian supplies to the EU could be disrupted. Pointing at the wrong thing: consider not EU imports but US exports, whi…

On gas prices, US volume, relative to 2020, is up by 120%, and it's being sold for 40% more. That's less than the spike, but it's still the US relentlessly milking the EU for everything she's worth, all thanks to severing Russian and EU gas relations. There was never any soft touch approach with Crimea. The territory annexation was never recognized in spite of there being little doubt it was the will of the people th…

The EU does not serve Europe but US interests, origins go back to the “American Committee on United Europe”, where only one or two Europeans were represented (who were already aligned with “globalism”).

You might already know this, but as for US intentions in this war, here's the 2015 Friedman video about US involvement in the Ukraine and the “drumbeats of the future” (very unsavoury person, dishing out quite some lies to a naïve American audience, but also quite revealing):

George Friedman, "Europe: Destined for Conflict?" – Chicago Council on Global Affairs, February 2015

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc&t=43m46s

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by Lio »

throw4r53w4 wrote: post #217
Lio wrote: post #102

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> it was only ever leased from China Only part of Hong Kong, the New Territories, was leased from China. Hong Kong Island and Kowloon were ceded to the UK in perpetuality. The UK didn't have to give them back but it also didn't have a reliable fresh water supply for such a large city that didn't depend on mainland China.

Ceded at gunpoint. When might makes right, it makes sense China would try to get it back when strong enough.

The same is true for Vladivostok but Xi seems pretty relaxed about that.

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Post by rbanffy »

Lumich wrote: post #107
Oranguru wrote: post #78

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> We're all more likely to get what we want. Ideally peace and prosperity. As sovereign citizens of their own country, Ukrainians have the right to decide under which flag they want to collectively pursue peace and prosperity. I believe they have made that choice clear through democratic means, something Russians have not experienced in a long time. If Russia is allowed to take Ukraine, it will move on to Poland next…

« Ukrainians have the right to decide » – Well, they did decide, but the U.S. didn't appreciate, so overthrew their government back in 2014, remember? “The most blatant coup in history”, see Nuland/Pyatt intercept. Instead, the U.S. (and UK) decided there would be a war, as simple as that. Good for business (“make America great again”).

In Brazil, 2014, President Dilma Rousseff was reelected and the US intensified their effort, resulting in a coup that opened the way to Bolsonaro, which is kind of not what the US wanted (they usually prefer more moderate and controllable authoritarians) but still happened because the only credible opposition to him was the party they ousted in 2015/16

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by rbanffy »

moregrist wrote: post #183
ColdStream wrote: post #2

I think it is like most software, especially in the OS space. The technology doesn't have to be the best, it just needs to get lucky enough to become a standard and build a moat with that. And by the mid 80's the moats were already very deep. Amiga couldn't over come the PC. IBM couldn't over come the moat of Windows with OS2. Intel couldn't overcome x86 with the i432 or Itanium. Luck and market forces from said luck…

> And by the mid 80's the moats were already very deep. You raise some good points, but I don’t think the idea of moats from the 80s really holds up. None of the obvious moats in the mid-80s are still dominant players. In the mid-80s the PC market was still pretty new. Business was still run on IBM mainframes, DEC VAX, and other systems that were overtaken by forces in the late-80s and early 90s. These seemed unstopp…

> Intel bet on compilers being far smarter than they were in the 2000s

Funny Intel didn’t just fell for this once, but twice. I wonder what was Microsoft’s role on Itanium’s failure - it would be in their best interest for it to succeed with Windows running on it.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by rbanffy »

ColdStream wrote: post #2

I think it is like most software, especially in the OS space. The technology doesn't have to be the best, it just needs to get lucky enough to become a standard and build a moat with that. And by the mid 80's the moats were already very deep. Amiga couldn't over come the PC. IBM couldn't over come the moat of Windows with OS2. Intel couldn't overcome x86 with the i432 or Itanium. Luck and market forces from said luck…

> Amiga couldn't over come the PC

Amiga was too tightly designed around its chips, which were too tightly designed around NTSC timings. The more modular architecture of the PC allowed hardware to evolve at a far lower cost.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by rbanffy »

ktallett wrote: post #5

This is a tricky one as it's similar to Amiga OS and Be OS where it's obviously so forward thinking but as other comments state that doesn't automatically lead to uptake. Of a similar ilk, I always felt the MSX base deserved a higher usage rate in the rest of the world, PC engine as a console too. Neither really took off elsewhere.

> obviously so forward thinking but as other comments state that doesn't automatically lead to uptake.

There are numerous examples for that. Plan9 is another interesting one - they wanted to improve on Unix (and did, in many ways), but the software market just wasn’t that enthusiastic about it.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by rbanffy »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #199

"BTRON's desktop was decades ahead of where computing actually went" Trying to mentally parse this… I had to laugh, what does that even mean?

I love this phrase. It implies they were years ahead of the market, predicting the future in depth, but it’s just that it wasn’t the future that actually materialised.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by rbanffy »

vkaku wrote: post #147
glimshe wrote: post #114

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Japan has an even more severe debt problem than the US, with a rapidly aging and declining population making it a much tougher hurdle to overcome.

They don't seem to have a shortage of corporations across the world, really. They simply need to implement it. Today, most people can vibe code their own OSes and emulators within a day or two. You're telling me an entire country can't do it? That is so defeatist. Plus, there are some young people who are seemingly bored and have an economy not plagued by the same lobby issues as the US. They might be able to get cra…

> most people can vibe code their own OSes

That’s very much not something that can be vibed unless we are talking at an extremely simple embedded with minimal functionality.

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Post by roenxi »

lovich wrote: post #194
fc417fc802 wrote: post #140

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> I still haven't heard anyone make a case for why we keep hitting the Russians given what acceptable US foreign policy looks like. Somewhat cynically it's entirely to do with which country they attacked. Had they moved on one farther away from mainland europe I doubt we'd have heard nearly as much about it. That said it would still be wrong just as much of US (and yes Chinese) foreign policy is morally wrong. Such s…

We already saw that happened when Russia invaded Georgia in ~2008. Which I’ll also point out to the people in this thread who are incredulous at the idea that Russia would go on to invade another country if Ukraine had folded as fast as they expected, is already proof that they had no real intentions on just Ukraine.

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