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Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though

It would have been, 20 years ago.

>> Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though

> It would have been, 20 years ago.

No, it would have been called what it is both then and now; an asynchronous message emitted by a device having sensors capable of detecting when to do so.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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isn’t that how we got here though? Everyone in silicon valley was so busy making sure they were open minded, steelmanning, and not treating politics like a sport that no one in the silicon valley halls of power pointed out that the emperor has no clothes and now we have a (sorry woke police) shrieking retard president leading us through the singularity.

No? Maybe you were busy being open minded and etc. But uh rest of Silicon Valley was pretty openly rooting for Trump to win 2024. The emperor having no clothes is actually really useful when you can interact with the emperor. You want them then to be mallable like Tim Cook giving Trump a golden statue so they're immune to tariffs that their competitors have to pay.

I wonder if this whole stunt still ended up costing them more than a boring 2025 year, though. I'm sure they wanted the soft power of just speaking money with an openly corrupt president, but they never anticipated the hassle the president would be without all the safeguards in place during term 1.

I'm sure people like David Ellison made off like a bandit, being able to push mergers (or at least, try to push mergeers) that would have been stopped early under any other administration. I don't think Apple was doing any blatantly bold moves like that, though.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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Workplace metrics and surveillance... What could possibly go wrong? That being said, more than one (female at that) doctor has told me in confidence and based upon their observations during residencies, etc. that if I'm ever admitted, be very careful how I modulate my interactions with nurses. They're not all Florence Nightingale and Mother Theresa and there exist those who will @#$% you up on various pretexts or are…

> Mother Theresa off topic perhaps, but i would hope they were not like mother teresa at all [0] [0] https://allthatsinteresting.com/mother-teresa-saint

Yea. She's seen as a devil where i live

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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> that might appear to be incentive to improve quality Their goal isn't to provide high quality care. Their goal is to increase profits. It's not hard to imagine how improved quality would lead them to spend more money. (faster diagnoses of serious illnesses and recommending expensive care)

How many dollars is a dead CEO worth?

Depends on how much they pay the new CEO to take the job - probably more than the old one, so seems he's worth a lot dead.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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Cardiac events from Apple Watches is not “AI” though

It’s machine learning, which people routinely called AI not so long ago.

ML was always marketed separately as AI/ML, with AI being things like CNNs/RNNs/BERTs and such. Always felt like a distinction without a difference.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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It’s machine learning, which people routinely called AI not so long ago.

I never heard people calling machine learning "AI" until large language models made it trivial to market it as such. Like, I remember back when Netflix, for instance, was going around advertising how machine learning (not AI) powers their recommendations.

> I never heard…

You should listen better. The University of Edinburgh had an entire Department of Artificial Intelligence when I was an undergrad there in the 1990s, and one of the things it researched was machine learning.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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It's machine learning, which has overlap with AI but is not completely equivalent.

The “overlap” is that all machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.

There are both ML that is not AI, and AI that is not ML.

For example, if you pick them manually, decision trees can be AI but not ML. Video game character behavior is a trivial example.

Eliza for example is also not ML, but could be called AI.

Likewise, there is ML that is not AI. Such is debatable, because you could always argue that using machine-learning on anything results in intelligence. The way I see it, things like image enhancement or voice replacement are not artificial intelligence at all. I probably could not define a hard line where it becomes artificial intelligence though.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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It would have been, 20 years ago.

We call things AI until they start working. See also: robots (your washing machine is a robot, but it works so you don’t think of it that way).

I think of robots as general purpose, machines are specific purpose. When it works, we make it single purpose because that’s far far cheaper than general purpose.

Re: Kaiser nurses say AI, surveillance are making their jobs and patient care worse

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It would have been, 20 years ago.

We call things AI until they start working. See also: robots (your washing machine is a robot, but it works so you don’t think of it that way).

Calling things "robots" is more about the amount of movement. Spinning in place like a washing machine sprayer isn't enough to qualify.

A paint conveyer belt is not a robot. A sprinkler system is not a robot. A CnC machine might be a robot. A conveyer belt that sorts items might be a robot. A roomba is a robot. And all of these function just fine.

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