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Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

pixel_popping wrote: post #221
Yizahi wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM generation in general provides the most use to scammers and the like. Generate emails which people won't read, generate articles which are just honeypots or rip-offs, generate images to said articles, generate more and more spam. Every legit use case for LLM practically requires that human would verify the result manually, at least briefly. But spammers can enjoy skipping that step, since content was never a main…

I disagree frankly, as the next wave is clearly fully autonomous businesses.

I challenge you to explain a business plan for a fully automated business that isn't at least a bit shady.

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by SpyCoder77 »

I got early access to Stripe Projects, the initialization didn't work very well. I emailed Rami (the lead of the Projects team) two weeks ago and he put his team on it. I waited for 5ish days and asked composer 2 to diagnose, it found the problem and let me know. I sent it to Rami and haven't really heard back any real progress on the bug after some follow up requests. Haven't tried it since though, might've been fixed.

Edit: composer 2 found a way to fix the initialization by setting an environment variable and it worked after doing that, but the docs didn't say to set the variable and Rami didn't know I should do that, so it is a bug

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by sam345 »

lejalv wrote: post #116
ascorbic wrote: post #97

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People use agents to deploy sites all the time. Buying a domain is part of that if you want to build a site that's beyond a toy. Allowing agents to do a task isn't just for things you do every day – it's also for things you do rarely and need agents' help. It's not just devs using agents to perform these sort of tasks anymore. Stripe Atlas makes it massively easier for startups to incorporate in Delaware. This is par…

Lets remind the purpose of incorporating in Delaware is legal tax evasion, so that we don't not have pensions, health insurance or anything nice, really. Rename to Greedware.

Please explain. Your comment reveals your lack of understanding of corporate law and the benefits of one state versus the other. And smart companies are going to incorporate in Texas anyway and it has nothing to do with taxes. More to do with corporate governance.

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by tdeck »

carlosjobim wrote: post #210
tdeck wrote: post #95

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> People making cooking websites, websites for their garden, etc usually have nowhere to go. They've had WYSIWYG website builders since the late 1990s.

They don't have anymore. At least not since Artisteer shut down.

What about SquareSpace and the like?

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by trinix912 »

Gigachad wrote: post #207
corentin88 wrote: post #204

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You would just get called from an agent (bot) based in your country. There’s no easy way to prevent that. Fraud is massive and it’s becoming cheaper and easier to run at scale.

Then when it gets reported the authorities can just look up the owner of that number and arrest them. Vs overseas based operations that are difficult to follow up on.

The authorities already don’t have much leverage over “domestic” spam call centers that are actually located overseas but somehow always manage to acquire domestic numbers to call from.

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by sshine »

mapkkk wrote: post #157
sshine wrote: post #126

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The DNS provider I recently switched to surprised me with a policy: To create records for more than one domain, you need to write a personal support email. They say it's to raise DNSSEC awareness, but I think it's also a robot captcha.

Are you perchance talking about deSEC? I've also switched to them, and thought that it was too much work to send an email and wait for replies, so I ended up using dummy inboxes for my other, lesser important domains. Though I guess it's still a good thing they do this? At the time I remember being mildly inconvenienced, but not enough to actually care. I just remember thinking, "How is this nonprofit going to handle…

Yes, deSEC.

They replied somewhat quickly (for humans).

I had accumulated enough hope for them to wait the 25 hours it took them.

And yes, I wouldn't go this way either.

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by lxgr »

disiplus wrote: post #199
lxgr wrote: post #136

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Yes, this is exactly my hope too. Many hacker/cypherpunk ideas failed or never reached wide adoption because they were just too complicated for regular people: GPG/web of trust, self-hosting websites and email, having your own custom software for personal tasks… Instead, everybody ended up using Gmail, iMessage/WhatsApp, and Facebook, and things are as centralized as they can be. Agents could be a force in breaking t…

The problem is not website, the problem is discovery and discovery is on Instagram, TikTok, and social networks. You don't have any incentive to build a website for a regular audience. What you might do is build an audience on a social network and then try to move them to a website. But at that point you're big enough to build it properly.

You can always follow the POSSE pattern [1] (except for platforms that actively punish links to your own site of course). That way you get both the reach and remain independent in terms of content moderation.

[1] https://www.citationneeded.news/posse/

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by carlosjobim »

tdeck wrote: post #234
carlosjobim wrote: post #210

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They don't have anymore. At least not since Artisteer shut down.

What about SquareSpace and the like?

It's certainly a great and useful tool. But it's a website maker somewhat in the same way that a Facebook page or Instagram account is a website maker.

AFAIK you can't make a website on SquareSpace and download it to your computer, edit it locally and move it to a different host, etc.

In the past there were actual WYSIWYG editors which let you design your website or CMS theme and then do whatever you wished with it. Artisteer was the pinnacle of this. Then nerds took over with their command lines and Kubernetes.

Imagine if one day people decided that making and editing documents in Word was no longer possible, that they had to be hand coded and command line compiled and linted, and not mix tabs and spaces. That's what happened to website publishing. For no reason at all.

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by ttul »

grey-area wrote: post #69
_pdp_ wrote: post #51

The reason this blog post does not come with any concrete examples how to use this enablement for useful and constructive things tells you something very important - it is a toy and they do not know who and how they will use it. It is cool feature but to what end? Buying a domain is not something you have to do daily to require any kind of automation. I am also not sure who Stripe Atlas for. I am genuinely confused.…

Perfect for spammers, scammers and domain squatters, who can now automate their activities even more. Can’t think of any other uses for this given the current state of LLM ‘agents’, though I can’t wait for the next report of something like ‘openclaw registered 1000 domains for me without asking and now cloudflare won’t refund me’.

I'm convinced that one of the top use cases for OpenClaw is orchestrating cold outreach email campaigns, as if there's nothing wrong with using AI to spam people to death. Platforms that enable sending cold emails are taking a sizeable risk that the low engagement of such emails stimulates some worsening inbox deliverability for the rest of their traffic (see [1] - you can't hide just by sending through big tenanted platforms like Amazon).

[1] Every message sent from Amazon SES carries a "Feedback-Id" header that allows Google (and anyone else) to track the Amazon account responsible for the message. The fourth field is an opaque but stable identifier associated with your Amazon account; receivers can and do use this for rate limiting: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/messaging-and-targeting/underst...

Re: Agents can now create Cloudflare accounts, buy domains, and deploy

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Post by lxgr »

_pdp_ wrote: post #51

The reason this blog post does not come with any concrete examples how to use this enablement for useful and constructive things tells you something very important - it is a toy and they do not know who and how they will use it. It is cool feature but to what end? Buying a domain is not something you have to do daily to require any kind of automation. I am also not sure who Stripe Atlas for. I am genuinely confused.…

> I've have personally never seen a good example where a cross vendor account provisioning actually working.

That's not what this is though, is it? In other words, isn't the (anti-)pattern you describe an argument in favor of agents setting up your accounts instead?

You can tell your agent to buy the domain at registrar x, manage DNS at y (and maybe configure DDoS protection and CDN), and host your content at z, and if the agent is good enough, you don't even need to understand the details.

You end up with individual credentials for each service, rather than a web of account relationships managed by a single "portal" SaaS.

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