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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by porknubbins »

freeopinion wrote: post #170
codazoda wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is tangential, but Kia declined to cover an engine failure, under warranty that was extended by recall, because I had not done an update. Edit: I eventually recovered most of the cost via a settlement court.

Even more tangential: Kia declined to cover an engine failure, under warranty that was extended by recall because I change my own oil. Kia's engines are known to fail predictably even within first 100K miles. They extended their warranty because of it. But then they weasel out of it unless you hire an attorney and go to war.

This would be a violation of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act of 1975 which requires they show the work done directly caused the failure.

If this were a widespread policy I bet class action lawyers would be all over it without you having to pay for it.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by porknubbins »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #214
biztos wrote: post #207

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I wonder what happens if they issue a recall that you want to refuse. What if they did the EV equivalent of Dieselgate[1]? Say it has a dangerous amount of torque or something, but you like that. Could you just turn off the network and keep it in the desired (unsupported) state? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

In the US, a vehicle with an outstanding recall technically isn't roadworthy, though consumer level enforcement of this is non-existent in practice. It's mostly enforced on dealers, who can't sell a vehicle with active recalls. The only way I can imagine it mattering to a consumer is if they sold it.

Doesn't being legally non roadworthy only apply to NHTSA safety recalls while there are other types of recalls for non compliance or manufacturer voluntary recalls?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by happymellon »

martin_a wrote: post #103
xp84 wrote: post #31

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Maybe in theory, but I trust Apple to detect a crash correctly about as far as I can throw my iPhone without breaking its glass back or front. This is the company whose flagship voice assistant, in 2026, can’t tell the intended recipient in a sentence like “Text Bob Mary signed the deal.” And if my phone happens to be thrown into the back of the car by the crash, I doubt anyone will be able to hear me. Not to mention…

Lol, same thing for Android, too. It has full access to my contact list, but if I tell it to "Call Stephan Beier" I see the transcript for "Beyer" and then it fails. That sounds the same in German, now what shall I do. Stupid thing.

When they forced us to use Gemini as the assistant, saying "hey Google call X" stopped working because it came up with a list of phone numbers for them and I couldn't tell it "home" or "mobile" because I had to manually select.

That lasted about 6 hours before I figured out how to switch back to Assistant.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Jolter »

alternatex wrote: post #71
nancyminusone wrote: post #28

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Lane keeping assistance is optional on any vehicle. I don't believe there is any current production in which you can't opt out of lane keeping assistance?

Isn't it mandatory in the EU if the car supports it? Mandatory as in it's opt-out and will re-enable itself every time you turn on the car.

Not that I’ve seen. Every time I rent a recent model year, they have the lane keeping assist feature but it only works when you enable adaptive cruise control.

But maybe that’s what you meant?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by tzs »

babypuncher wrote: post #42
johnea wrote: post #18

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So why would you prefer goggle's "control the user experience" power-tripping, to rivian's? I'd much rather side with the company that was willing to allow the user to disable net connectivity...

Ideally, they would support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. There are a few big reasons this is preferable. - I already pay for internet on my phone, I'm not interested in paying for another cellular service just to get maps and music streaming on the screen in my car. GM ditched CarPlay specifically to push customers to their subscription service. I know some electric automakers are offering it "for free", but I do…

Worth noting that with some brands when the free cellular service for the car's use runs out and you would need to start paying you can go to the network settings and tell it to use an external WiFi network, such as your phone's hotspot, instead of the built in cellular connection.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by smotched »

kelnos wrote: post #113
smotched wrote: post #82

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what telemetry are you worried about if you're already sharing your exact location at all times (navigation)

Why would you be sharing that? There's no reason why the navigation system needs to constantly tell a remote system where you are. Navigation systems don't even need an Internet connection for basic routing.

Navigation through gps means you're connected to a satelite at all times. has nothing to do with an internet connection. You're directly connected to the U.S. government (Space Force)

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Svoka »

LocalH wrote: post #186
Svoka wrote: post #160

Reading comments, I expectantly see a lot of cheering for this step, with many calling for further measures. I understand that privacy features are important to some people, but I am not one of them. Can someone provide what needs these feature covers? Like, what are some reason to disable all internet connectivity? I am genuinely curious.

So you're okay with every single company being able to track you, build a profile to you, and sell that profile to the highest bidder, while you get nothing remotely comparable in value?

I feel like I am getting access to lots of products in part shaped by my data. It is not like I have better things to do with it.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by Angostura »

Loughla wrote: post #190
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #178

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I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about telemetry. Concentric circles of echo chambers over here.

I agree. I have never met anyone in real life that's concerned about telemetry on their car. They're worried about the cost of a new car, and the cost of all the electronics, should they go bad.

I’ve certainly met them, particularly in the context of Chinese EVs.

I really wish car review publications would start adding a ‘Privacy’ section along side the Perfectly, Road Handling etc parts of reviews

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by b3lvedere »

"Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

Vehicle connectivity is a core feature .. blah blah blah"

I absolutely hate these kind of answers. I understand why the answer is written that way, but i truly hate it to the core. They are marketing speak/CYA answers.

Why i hate it? Because i do not mind the communication, but i absolotely do mind the collecting and harvesting.

I don't want to lose connectivity. I want to lose all the effing data harvesting. I don't mind leaving data and using navigation, but i do not want the data effing harvested.

I want to have phone calls, but i do not want my calls logged for a long time so that these logs can be abused in any form by someone or something.

ALL of these features do NOT need long time logging for it to function.

This pay-with-your-privacy system has to stop.

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