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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by keeda »

dijit wrote: post #227
keeda wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote this in response to the below comment, which is now edited and unfortunately dead, so posting here: I understand, that wasn't a comment on your efforts back then, just that it is a solved problem today. But that does not mean other scaling problems are comparable or comparably solved. The universe of scaling problems is immense! Worse, different problems occur at different scales. In the 3rd party API system,…

We used TCP for The Division, this was a major mistake and I don't think it was something people should repeat. For example, if you have TCP_NODELAY and a few thousand players, you'll be swimming in about 1.2M packets per second pretty quickly. This is enough to completely crush any stateful firewalls (UDP would pass through because no need to check state), so we had to do ACLs in network hardware instead, and append…

Makes sense, and that was the surprising thing about WoW using TCP. I wonder if Blizzard chose to put in all that extra effort to make TCP work because they encountered enough crappy home routers out there that mangled any non-TCP traffic...

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Post by WestCoader »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #220
oasisaimlessly wrote: post #205

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You don't have to 'build' anything. Just spin up a GitLab docker container. Bonus: If you put it behind a VPN, you never have to worry about updating it.

Oh man, what could go wrong. Edit: to be clear for anyone reading, don’t do this, it’s a really bad idea. You need to patch your stuff, even behind a VPN. If you’re unsure, just google: “examples of security breaches of unpatched software behind VPNs”

Yeah I literally work on that side of things, Platform/etc. Managing GHE, CI across so many CI platforms over the past almost two decades, etc. It's a disaster thinking you can "just spin up X". Sure, if you're a two person operation, but scale becomes a factor real fast. Too many people on HN are giving away they have little to no experience. And I'm the one that made the initial comment in this thread, lol. It's frustrating, but I don't want to go back to "managing build agents" and the control plane (aka whatever your central Git Host is) for everything and all jobs, etc. That's a pain in the ass and 90% of environments have no fucking clue how to maintain that shit.

If someone wants to pay me to do lead such an effort, I'd do it, and yes, it'll all be done and managed in code, and it will be done better than 90% of folks could do (I've seen the production build systems most environments have built, some big names too, and they're trash...in no small part because it's simply hard to do), but it'll take a while to smooth the experience out for all of your requirements. You're gonna be paying, and very well, for a while.

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Post by mitchjj »

incomplete wrote: post #218
WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

i did the circleci --> github actions migration for my job 1.5 years ago, and things seemed great... at first. at the time, we'd been dealing w/circleci's semi-regular (but thankfully short) outages for over two years, and we were excited to move to a more stable system. now i'm considering deploying jenkins.

Apologies for shameless plug... have you considered Buildkite? Our statuspage is a sea of green even as we hit 1.3b minutes/wk (GHA sits at 2.1/wk now). Much less maintenance overhead than Jenkins, more dynamic featureset. The trial is all-access, unlocks the full product and can be extended past 30 days. Real human eng on standby throughout.

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Post by mitchjj »

flohofwoe wrote: post #54
deadbabe wrote: post #25

I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?

When using it every day (and especially when using Github Actions), there's something broken or half-broken nearly every day. Most random errors in Github Actions (e.g. jobs just randomly failing or getting stuck and requiring a manual restart, or just being plain slow) also never show up on the Github Status page. The Github Actions VMs are also so slow that I'm seriously pondering setting up a cheap throw-away lapt…

Another option is Buildkite with hybrid architecture... Your hardware, our control plane, managed through GUI or CLI. Instant agent push, run up to over 100k concurrent agents, fan out jobs, generate pipelines at runtime...

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #120

Are we watching live the first company that implodes due to Vibe Coding?

Not sure why the downvotes.

But i'll bet they are now scrambling to re-hire the engineers they replaced with vibe coding AI.

Here are a few other examples of AI going badly wrong

Replit - CEO Amjad Masad's platform experienced an incident where an AI coding agent deleted a live production database during a code freeze, affecting records of over 1,200 executives and 1,100+ companies.

Klarna - Initially touted its AI assistant as doing work equivalent to hundreds of customer service agents, but later had to hire human customer service workers again to balance AI with human support.

Air Canada - Learned in court that inaccurate chatbot guidance can become the company's legal responsibility.

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Post by xp84 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #177
Mashimo wrote: post #123

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> I think you’ve got it backwards. GitHub is by far the market leader for hosted repositories Maybe, but I never heard about any company using github for internal projects in my real life. For me it was always to go to for open source projects. Then again it's not a topic that often comes up in my developer circles.

More than half the companies I have worked for use Github. The others used Atlassian tools which were at least as bad from a reliability perspective and much less nice to use (IMO).

For me it’s been every company since 2010.

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Post by xp84 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #223
taormina wrote: post #217

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In the lifespan of Git and GitHub that’s all very recent.

But on the timescale of tech it's a long time . When a service has serious availability issues for like 7 quarters straight that's.. I mean, it's why we're all talking about it.

CircleCI has been this bad for 10+ years and they’re still in business.
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