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Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by delecti »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #87
delecti wrote: post #67

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It can , but that seems to be more related to poor implementations by the game devs, and not inherent to it. There are plenty of examples of games with Denuvo that still run fine (give or take your opinion on whether the presence of DRM is inherently "impacted performance").

If many of your users misuse your tool, that's a design problem not user error

There's a valid point there, but that's stating it way too strongly.

I haven't seen their documentation, maybe the problem lies there. But there's no tool or documentation so perfect that nobody can use it wrong.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by zorked »

mft_ wrote: post #228
pjc50 wrote: post #219

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Yes. Hence the stories of people (Brezhnev?) being astonished and baffled at simply walking into an American supermarket. Of course, one reason why there wasn't much on the shelves was it had been already stolen by other people closer to the source ... (something of a generic problem of low trust societies, not specific to Communism. I think we sometimes don't appreciate how valuable a high trust society is to us in…

Does the stealing come from the low-trust society, or does the societal situation drive people to theft, which we then label ‘low-trust’?

If there are extremely poor, high-trust societies, then trust is its own variable. If not, then it's a post-hoc explanation.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by lousken »

joe_mamba wrote: post #95
lousken wrote: post #83

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This. Why spend extra on x3d cpu when you can have a reasonable game size (not that it has large enough cache anyway)

>This. Why spend extra on x3d cpu when you can have a reasonable game size (not that it has large enough cache anyway) Because game(SW) devs/publishers don't care about spending money to optimize for reasonable size, and the enthusiast gamers want to play the game either way and will gladly fork out the cash for the HW to play it, if anything for the bragging rights. Remember "will it run Crysis?" vintage 2007? Yeah,…

That was not enough because of DRM junk though

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by lousken »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #129
embedding-shape wrote: post #126

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> Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release [...] They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked Ah, so Denuvo is always removed after ~90 days after release, as there is no point for them to keep it there?

Denuvo is sold as a subscription to developers, and it is often removed 6–12 months after release.

Denuvo should charge more for every month extra since the release

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by jsiepkes »

pjc50 wrote: post #219
dmos62 wrote: post #213

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> the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. I think the context is important. These were people in poverty, in an extremely mismanaged society. You could get very little from actual shops. Most things would have to be bartered for. Stealing from the state accounted for a very important part of peoples' sustenance. My grandfather would try to explain it like this: even if you had money, there w…

Yes. Hence the stories of people (Brezhnev?) being astonished and baffled at simply walking into an American supermarket. Of course, one reason why there wasn't much on the shelves was it had been already stolen by other people closer to the source ... (something of a generic problem of low trust societies, not specific to Communism. I think we sometimes don't appreciate how valuable a high trust society is to us in…

> Yes. Hence the stories of people (Brezhnev?) being astonished and baffled at simply walking into an American supermarket.

Way later even; It was Yeltsin who wandered (it was unplanned) into a grocery store in Texas [1].

[1] https://www.cato.org/blog/happy-yeltsin-supermarket-day-0

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

dmos62 wrote: post #213
pjc50 wrote: post #208

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I have a slightly different story, told by a Romanian coworker who was old enough to have worked in a factory under Ceaucescu: the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. Managers would be able to take away complete items for "testing"; ordinary line workers would be limited to what parts they could plausibly conceal in their overalls at the end of the shift, then assemble them in their own time…

> the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. I think the context is important. These were people in poverty, in an extremely mismanaged society. You could get very little from actual shops. Most things would have to be bartered for. Stealing from the state accounted for a very important part of peoples' sustenance. My grandfather would try to explain it like this: even if you had money, there w…

And still people on this very site and especially on Reddit and TikTok want communism.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by vintagedave »

devwastaken wrote: post #182
dasyatidprime wrote: post #167

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The “keep up the appearance of working” story feels like a misleading comparison to me, because the motivations are pretty much reversed. In the hypothetical factory, there's an external social element requiring the appearance of working, some observer to whom it looks good that this is happening: the way I read it, the assemblers and disassemblers may well be cooperating with each other to produce that appearance, s…

DRM authors and implementors know it doesnt work. The decision is made by people in suits based on traditional business culture that doesnt fit the digital world. The same people making denuvo are also the ones breaking it.

> DRM authors and implementors know it doesnt work

Really? I thought Denuvo (this one) and maybe others were famous for being genuinely effective. Unless I'm muddling them up (I have memory from reading articles a few years ago) this was a library that outright prevented piracy as well as cheats for significant periods of time for a wide variety of games.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by dmos62 »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #237
dmos62 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. I think the context is important. These were people in poverty, in an extremely mismanaged society. You could get very little from actual shops. Most things would have to be bartered for. Stealing from the state accounted for a very important part of peoples' sustenance. My grandfather would try to explain it like this: even if you had money, there w…

And still people on this very site and especially on Reddit and TikTok want communism.

Do they? I've not seen that.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by stirfish »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #237
dmos62 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the workers stole from the factory, all the time, at every level. I think the context is important. These were people in poverty, in an extremely mismanaged society. You could get very little from actual shops. Most things would have to be bartered for. Stealing from the state accounted for a very important part of peoples' sustenance. My grandfather would try to explain it like this: even if you had money, there w…

And still people on this very site and especially on Reddit and TikTok want communism.

I think the algorithms have determined that you'll engage with videos about people who want communism.
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