Btw, flock employees have been caught watching kids gymnastics class and pools.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-193593234
Why does the VP of strategic relations need to watch the kids gymnastics class?
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So, full circle, you're okay with a film crew recording you and your family in public at all times?
It’s a false equivalence. Passive surveillance cameras aren’t the same as having a bunch of annoying people trailing me, which gives rise to the concern for the personal safety of me and my family. So I reject the comparison.
What about if/when those cameras are no longer really passive, and everything they see gets autonomously compiled into a dossier on your activities and movements?
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I didn’t say anyone was a king. I was just talking about troublesome priests.
And you're conveniently unaware of the historical context of the origin of that phrase too, if we're to take you literally, since you seem to entirely misunderstand how the whole reason it was problematic was due to the inherent power dynamics
Indeed, one of the great wisdoms of history is that a mobs have no power. We are very wise men so we know that there are no peer reviewed controlled trials showing mobs having power. We call this thing Science.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I live in a tech heavy, wealthy city. It’s small. No violent crime. Barely any crime at all. Compare to e.g. Oakland, which recently approved a Flock expansion: https://oaklandside.org/2025/12/17/oakland-flock-safety-coun... Why? https://sfstandard.com/2023/06/09/oakland-crime-police-respo... https://oaklandside.org/2025/10/08/oakland-watchdog-audit-po... https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/oakland-police-off…
Baltimore has metric shittons of police cameras but it's still a dangerous shithole. Cameras don't stop idiot criminals from criming. Baltimore's police suck and the area sucks because there's massive unemployment, cameras aren't a panacea.
Yeah I don't get the camera supporters. Cameras do nothing. Desperate people aren't concerned about cameras or stopped by them.
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#237This movement reminds me of the "protecting democracy" message that was run on the national stage that pailed against the backdrop of rising inflation.
Privacy is important just as democracy is important, but crime and lawlessness feel more immediate and will always take center stage.
Any message to try to address the spread of flock and flock-like business models have to address what replaces it. If the only choice people are given is either having flock, or car break-ins, then I think we can probably guess what people would choose.
SFPD at least, has credited flock and flock-like tech for why property crime has dropped so much in recent years.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a false equivalence. Passive surveillance cameras aren’t the same as having a bunch of annoying people trailing me, which gives rise to the concern for the personal safety of me and my family. So I reject the comparison.
What about if/when those cameras are no longer really passive, and everything they see gets autonomously compiled into a dossier on your activities and movements?
That’s a separate issue. Real time observation is one thing. What happens with the data afterwards is another.
Now, the obvious response to that is “if you’re not watching, it can’t be recorded in the first place.” But we have legitimate reasons for wanting to observe public activities. The question is, how do we strike the right balance between legitimate use and abuse?
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Arm the teachers!
When a teacher then shoots their entire class: arm the students!
I got my BS in Computer Science legally carrying a Glock in every class. I think it's very likely I was the only person doing so; Not because I was fearful, but because I like being prepared. It takes very little long-term effort for people to carry pepper spray, a gun (if able), and a first aid kit everywhere they go. You never know who's life you might save.
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Correct, whoever made the decision to create ICE, as it became a security risk that lead to deaths. Glad that's what you said, and no other valid interpretation.
> it became a security risk that lead to deaths While there were deaths, I didn't see any that were the result of a "security risk". I did see a whole lot of stupid people doing stupid things, and none of them were ICE agents, so I'm surprised there weren't more deaths.
> I did see a whole lot of stupid people doing stupid things, and none of them were ICE agents, so I'm surprised there weren't more deaths.
Random masked goons in unmarked cars trying to arrest people is pretty damn stupid, yes. Same goons putting themselves in front of cars, and shooting through side windows of cars driving away, or shooting at random people on the street, is pretty damn stupid.