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How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by nandomrumber »

tempaccount5050 wrote: post #181
rhet0rica wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never understood this about Windows Subsystem for Linux naming, nor its predecessor Windows Services for Unix. Surely Linux is the subsystem running on Windows? Should we now reinterpret Windows for Workgroups as a means of astrally projecting your organization inside Windows 3.11?! The dative only works ONE way, Microsoft! I guess they really just didn't want a product name to start with the name of a competitor's p…

It's a Windows subsystem. For running Linux.

Sub for system Windows Linux.

It’s a proper noun, there are no rules.

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by Ukv »

Gigachad wrote: post #78
shireboy wrote: post #56

I get that it's annoying, but also don't know what else one would do? "FooPilot is our Office AI toolset, BarWonk is our code assist tool"? There are also a lot of Claudes and GPTs. Naming things is hard.

They could start by not renaming Microsoft Office and laptops as copilot.

> start by not renaming Microsoft Office

To my understanding, Office (or "Microsoft 365") itself becoming "Copilot" was just confused messaging about the "Office Hub" app/shortcut being repurposed.

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by astafrig »

rhet0rica wrote: post #175
layer8 wrote: post #144

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We are still missing "Windows Subsystem for Copilot".

Never understood this about Windows Subsystem for Linux naming, nor its predecessor Windows Services for Unix. Surely Linux is the subsystem running on Windows? Should we now reinterpret Windows for Workgroups as a means of astrally projecting your organization inside Windows 3.11?! The dative only works ONE way, Microsoft! I guess they really just didn't want a product name to start with the name of a competitor's p…

The thing they “didn’t want to [do]” was infringe on the Linux trademark.

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by DougMerritt »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #223
MarsIronPI wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux is in fact not the origin of the "everything is a file". More properly, "everything is a file" is a Unix concept and Unix's creators deserve credit for the idea. Though Plan9 carries it out much better: Unix networking isn't file-based, Plan9's is. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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It's a humorous reference to a (in-)famous serious post by Stallman, see https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by Cerium »

esafak wrote: post #213
chatmasta wrote: post #176

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Do hacks like “read prompt.md, and follow its instructions. When you’re done, read it again and follow its instructions.” And then you have some background process appending to the file to keep it warm and you just keep writing there?

You could do that. I was just trying to say that if you make your original prompt complete enough, and you have well-defined success criteria, you can tell it to keep going until they are met.

Agreed - my experience mirrors this.

> "Fix the following compile errors" -> one shot try and stops.

> "Fix the following compile errors. When done, test your work and continue iterating until build passes without error" -> same cost but it gets the job done.

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by nandomrumber »

jasomill wrote: post #224
Pxtl wrote: post #64

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Except they named their local hosted version of TFS/VSTS Azure DevOps Server (where the cloud version is Azure DevOps Services). They just like branding their dev tools for whatever they're pushing at the time. In 2002 they named Visual Studio "Visual Studio .NET".

Not just developer tools, reusing trademarks in general. At one point the next version of Windows Server 2003 was going to be Windows .NET Server. Also Windows CE, Outlook Express, Xbox App, Xbox Game Pass for PC, Visual Studio Code, Visual Studio for Mac, Microsoft Office Excel, Microsoft Office Word, etc.

There is no perfect pasta sauce.

Only perfect pasta sauces.

Howard R. Moskowitz is an American market researcher and psychophysicist. He is known for the detailed study he made of the types of spaghetti sauce and horizontal segmentation. By providing a large number of options for consumers, Moskowitz pioneered the idea of intermarket variability as applied to the food industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Moskowitz

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by zenoprax »

zahlman wrote: post #219
MarsIronPI wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux is in fact not the origin of the "everything is a file". More properly, "everything is a file" is a Unix concept and Unix's creators deserve credit for the idea. Though Plan9 carries it out much better: Unix networking isn't file-based, Plan9's is. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I was thinking more along the lines of "what you're referring to as Windows is in fact Copilot/Windows"....

SlopPilot/NT?

> I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Windows, is in fact, NT/SlopPilot+Windows, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Copilot plus Copilot plus Copilot.

Re: How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?

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Post by GeekyBear »

layer8 wrote: post #178
rhet0rica wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never understood this about Windows Subsystem for Linux naming, nor its predecessor Windows Services for Unix. Surely Linux is the subsystem running on Windows? Should we now reinterpret Windows for Workgroups as a means of astrally projecting your organization inside Windows 3.11?! The dative only works ONE way, Microsoft! I guess they really just didn't want a product name to start with the name of a competitor's p…

A "Windows subsystem" is a specific interface between user-mode applications and the Windows kernel. It's a technical notion that exists in Windows. So there are different Windows subsystems for different types of applications. The naming convention is "Windows subsystem for ". It makes more sense when you read it as "Windows subsystem for [running] Linux [applications]". WSL2 deviates from the native concept of what…

WSL was a traditional subsystem in the Windows NT tradition, it just never worked properly.

WSL2 runs real Linux in a virtual machine.

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