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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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OpenCode is a agent .. harnest? The CLI or UI tool you use as an AI agent, similar to ClaudeCode. You where not allowed to use your ClaudeCode subscription with other tool then ClaudeCode. I'm not sure if this is what got removed or if there is more too it.

Harness :)

Harnest.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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you can also use Claude Code programmatically with the `prompt` parameter in the cli.

And they can ban your account if they think you are doing that. I think someone even commented here on HN they were banned by Anthropic for this.

I don't know why this is downvoted, see my nephew (?) comment [0] for a longer version, but this is not at all clear IMHO. I'm not sure if a "claude -p" on a cron is allowed or not with my subscription, if I run it on another server is it? Can I parse the output of claude (JSON) and have another "claude -p" instance work on the response? It's only a hop, skip, and a jump over to OpenClaw it seems, which is _not_ allowed. But at what point did we cross the line?

It feels like the only safe thing to do is use Claude Code, which, thankfully, I find tolerable, but unfortunate.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47446703

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Since I discovered pi I cancelled my Claude subscription and subscribed to ChatGPT. On one hand, the competition is making miracles. On the other hand, it's pretty dooming that there is only one (1) company that keeps my agent cost reasonable.

> Since I discovered pi I cancelled my Claude subscription and subscribed to ChatGPT. Sorry, what is pi and how are you using it with ChatGPT for agentic coding?

> Sorry, what is pi

https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono/tree/main/packages/codin...

> how are you using it with ChatGPT for agentic coding?

OpenAI has publically blessed people using their subscriptions with different harnesses, like OpenCode and Pi.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Dario has stated multiple times he doesn't believe there is any value in open-weight models. Not surprised. This is not the behavior of an innovative company - it is fear-driven. They are seeing a rapidly shrinking moat.

This exactly. Kimi 2.5 has coding performance hardly discernible from Claude. The only way to maintain a business edge is to crush open source clients to force people into a closed ecosystem. Once there, create context moat where people are not in control of their own context data (cannot export it to open tooling). Maybe we can call it the Oracle play? It’ll be interesting to see if companies get tricked. I think it…

This is, I'm sorry to say, simply not true. Anthropic and Open AI are materially ahead of every open source model out there at this time. The best they can hope to do is be Sonnet-adjacent, and even then I have not seen it.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Same reason movie theaters care about you not bringing your own snacks

You pay for snacks in the cinema and they lose money if you buy elsewhere. Where does Anthropic lose money when I use OpenCode?

This has been explained many times in this thread. Your subscription to Claude models for use in Claude Code is subsidized. That is, it is only meant to be used with that harness.

When you use that API key with OpenCode, you're circumventing that.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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I have a huge issue 10416 on OpenCode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 - their stance on privacy

not sure i follow - do they leak my information to their own servers by default?

This is probably the most exhaustive answer to your question as of Jan 7: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecommen...

The also leaked all prompts to OpenAI until very recently.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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you can also use Claude Code programmatically with the `prompt` parameter in the cli.

And they can ban your account if they think you are doing that. I think someone even commented here on HN they were banned by Anthropic for this.

is this against their tos or something? what did they expect programmers to do, not automate the automated code-writer?

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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If it wasn't the case, the Claude API pricing would be the same, $200 for unlimited use. But it's metered. We don't know if Claude Code bleeds money for every user that touches it. Probably not. But the different pricing is a strong enough clue that it's an appeal product with subsidized tokens consumption.

API is intended for a different audience - companies with a big pocket who aren't as price sensitive as private users. So the pricing will be different than for a private subscription.

That is not true at all. I, as an individual, can go and get access to Claude models via API today, for, I dont know, for a custom workflow I have.

What Anthropic is saying is - please dont use the API key from Claude Code for that.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…

This is analogous to when Google launched Gmail with 1GB of storage and then a bunch of third-party apps cropped up that took advantage of it to use it as a generic online file storage drive. There was GMailFS[0] and Gmail Drive[1] - this is before S3, dropbox, and a time where web hosting would give you ~10MB or so of space. Google updated their ToS and shut down accounts using their service in ways they weren't int…

Ok, bear with me here.

Theory 1: the internet has been fully strip mined for all content and is now dead. See that graph of StackOverflow questions dropping off a cliff to zero. Nothing much worthwhile is being added.

Theory 2: they are all unethical as fuck and definitely learning off your data. You would be insane not to - theory 1 means all your free training data is gone, but all that corporate data is fresh, ripe and covers many domains that the amateurs on the internet never filled. You have to launder it some way of course, but it's definitely happening.

Theory 3: winner takes all. I don't care for "Claude" and your wishy-washy ethics performance. ChudAI has a better model and harness? I'm gone this evening.

Having all the users, even if they are exploiting you for cheap compute with their own harness, is essential.

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