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Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#231

Absolutely wild that none of the dissenting comments suggest a means of lowering or eliminating sexual harassment of women passengers. Why not start there? Get creative.

Separate the services. There are women-only gyms, why not women-only Uber? Give it another brand name or make it a separate company and offer services for women drivers only, women riders only.

Edit: Germany has such a service https://www.femride.de/

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#232
Does this even matter right now? The number of female drivers is quite small. Maybe later on, there'll be another controversy whether to take a male or female drive, just like it happened with taxis taking over Uberists in the beginning. Time and good security frameworks will place this into "something else" that happened at some time.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#233
post #53

If this form of discrimination is ok, can we get other filters?

Do you think having women's only bathrooms is discrimination as well?

In places where unisex bathrooms is the norm, it not that uncommon to see men's only bathroom while the other rooms are unisex. Is that discrimination?

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legal standard that must be met for this kind of discrimination is called "Bona fide occupational qualification" [1] Generally customer demand is not enough use this defense. Airlines tried using it to defend hiring only female flight attendants and lost. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...

Interesting, the Wikipedia article has this to say Mere customer satisfaction, or lack thereof, is not enough to justify a BFOQ defense, as noted in the cases Diaz v. Pan Am. World Airways, Inc. and Wilson v. Southwest Airlines Co. Therefore, customer preference for females does not make femininity a BFOQ for the occupation of flight attendant. However, there may be cases in which customer preference is a BFOQ – for…

> I understand that women are often harassed, but the law already has a process for dealing with harassment.

And that would be a good argument if we could see that the process really is used and trusted. Do we? What I see is the opposite; the ubers and bolts of this world only care as much they have to. So what is probably happening is that uber calculates this will be cheaper than dealing with the consequences of women losing trust and stopping using their services. If this is banned by the courts, they will move on to the next cheapest solution and so on.

What would interest me is, what would be a proper solution to this issue? Apart from Waymo, probably a surveillance/recording of all the interactions between the customer and the driver?

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#235
The shift toward Waymo mentioned in the comments is a perfect example of how 'low-trust' environments drive automation. People aren't just choosing autonomous vehicles for the tech; they’re choosing them to remove the human variable entirely. If a platform like Uber can't guarantee safety through its vetting process, the market will naturally move toward solutions that eliminate the need for trust in the first place. It’s a sad commentary on the state of the gig economy when the 'killer feature' is just the absence of another person.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world we live in is one where women being assaulted is an order of magnitude larger problem than women falsely accusing someone of assault.

In addition, your chance of being falsely accused is low. Your chance of being prosecuted if you are falsely accused is low. Your chance of being convicted, if you are falsely accused AND prosecuted is low. Also, the accuser's chance of being prosecuted for making the false allegation isn't that low. We're talking about less than 100 cases per year. The real thing to be worried about is a false conviction for drugs o…

I've been falsely accused of sexual harassment by a manager (woman) when I was the victim myself from her(I rejected her, next day she accused me of grabbing her in the ass and some nasty words, which I NEVER DID) and even had a witness that could corroborate that she was the one doing it. I was fired and didn't even have a chance to defend myself. (and no, trying to use legal means would be an uphill battle that my lawyer recommended against).

I do believe women when they say they are assaulted/harassed, I don't victim blame, but after that experience I just avoid any situation that could cause someone to cause me harm by lying, so yeah, no being alone with women that aren't family, no giving or helping women that are alone, etc.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#237
They're also doing it in Berlin, Frankfurt and München. Bolt is offering it in Berlin.

I dislike Uber, I'd rather walk than take one, but if it has to exist, I think it's awesome they're doing this.

There is also a women-exclusive company in Berlin now: https://g-cars.co/

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#238

Sex is a protected class under Title VII of the civil rights act. And the supreme court recently said that even majority classes (men) are protected by this. Since Uber involved in the decision to send more business to female drivers than male drivers, this would seem to me to run afoul of employment discrimination (sorry we don't need as many men workers today, too many of you competing so market forces mean we're g…

> How long till "I don't want a black/white/gay/etc driver" options show up?

Slippery slope fallacy.

> "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." — George Orwell, Animal Farm

Women being harassed by Uber drivers isn't a necessary part of life, and wanting to address this issue isn't equivalent to literal Soviet communism. This quote is waaay out of place.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition, your chance of being falsely accused is low. Your chance of being prosecuted if you are falsely accused is low. Your chance of being convicted, if you are falsely accused AND prosecuted is low. Also, the accuser's chance of being prosecuted for making the false allegation isn't that low. We're talking about less than 100 cases per year. The real thing to be worried about is a false conviction for drugs o…

I've been falsely accused of sexual harassment by a manager (woman) when I was the victim myself from her(I rejected her, next day she accused me of grabbing her in the ass and some nasty words, which I NEVER DID) and even had a witness that could corroborate that she was the one doing it. I was fired and didn't even have a chance to defend myself. (and no, trying to use legal means would be an uphill battle that my…

Yeah, we live in a democracy where we are innocent until proven guilty. But every single corporation is it's own little fiefdom. This is why unions are important. Sorry to hear about this.

Re: Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US

#240

The shift toward Waymo mentioned in the comments is a perfect example of how 'low-trust' environments drive automation. People aren't just choosing autonomous vehicles for the tech; they’re choosing them to remove the human variable entirely. If a platform like Uber can't guarantee safety through its vetting process, the market will naturally move toward solutions that eliminate the need for trust in the first place.…

And then this automation contributes in turn to this "low-trust environment", removing one more human interaction from your day and further erroding the social fabric. Taken to the extreme, this only ends with everyone completely isolated and talking to AIs all day, like in Asimov's The Naked Sun. Not really my preferred vision of the future, tbh.
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