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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> forced her finger on Touch ID per the warrant She was not forced, and the warrant does not state that she could be forced. The warrant, almost certainly deliberately, uses far milder language.

You’re saying she complied willingly?

If the police get the warrant you either allow them to take it or you face an obstruction charge. The only safe way to fight a warrant like that when signed is after the gathering is done in court or at trial.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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It does mean that. You can't be forced to divulge information in your head, as that would be testimonial. But if there are papers, records, or other evidentiary materials that are e.g. locked in a safe you can be compelled to open it with a warrant, and refusal would be contempt.

FaceID and TouchID aren’t protected by that as I understand it.

That's correct, they are not. A complete failing of legislation and blatant disregard of the spirit of the 5th Amendment.

So do not have biometrics as device unlock if you are a journalist protecting sources.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

#233

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Do you think this is for fighting parking tickets? It is for journalists to not reveal their sources, whom might be at risk of severe consequences including death. That's a whole lot more to loose than your money and time.

That's not what we're discussing here, you can't just say "I plead the fifth" and walk away if the people in charge decided you wouldn't walk away, no matter what's right or "legal" Francis Rawls stayed 4 years in jail despite pleading the fifth all day long

That case also established 18 months as an upper limit. If you are in that situation it is usually better to simply jot divulge. Especially if there is incriminating evidence. Or you are a journalist being harassed by the DOJ. It can only bring you more pain. They will always find something.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> Natanson said she does not use biometrics for her devices, but after investigators told her to try, “when she applied her index finger to the fingerprint reader, the laptop unlocked.” Curious.

She has to have set it up before. There is no way to divine a fingerprint any other way. I guess the only other way would be a faulty fingerprint sensor but that should default to a non-entry.

> faulty fingerprint sensor

The fingerprint sensor does not make access control decisions, so the fault would have to be somewhere else (e.g. the software code branch structure that decides what to do with the response from the secure enclave).

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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post #184

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They are willing to kill people and then justify it by calling them terrorists. Plausible deniability is pointless.

Uh, that escalated quickly.

Actually it's been escalating pretty steadily for 250 years

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

#236
Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password.

https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20

The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

#237
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Serious question: What are the "valid concerns" about people securing their computing devices against third parties?

Oh, come on. Don't look at another man's Portal Gun history. We all go to weird places.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

#239

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FaceID and TouchID aren’t protected by that as I understand it.

That's correct, they are not. A complete failing of legislation and blatant disregard of the spirit of the 5th Amendment. So do not have biometrics as device unlock if you are a journalist protecting sources.

They are considered to be more like keys to a safe than private knowledge. They also can't be changed if compromised. A sufficiently unguessable PIN or passphrase is better than biometrics.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

#240
post #178

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Android phones are multi-user, so if they can do it then Apple should be able to.

And how do you explain your 1TB phone that has 2GB of data, but only 700GB free?

"Idunno copper, I'm a journalist not a geek"
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