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FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I'd love to hear what you think that has to do with this?

If we've learned anything from this administration it is that the government can ignore the law longer than you can stay alive. Arming yourself against lawless government in every legal way is advisable.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm saying what does that have to do with a valid search warrant being executed?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> So in america, they can force you to use a biometric but they can't compel you to reveal your password? I don't get it, touching finger is easy, but how do you compel someone to reveal their password?

Depending on the country and the willingness to comply with legal norms somewhere between putting you in prison until you give it up and hitting you with a stick until you give it up.

And to be clear, in other words, that means you can’t be compelled. You can effectively resist giving up your password, you cannot effectively resist giving up your finger, gruesome though the prospect might be.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Serious question: What are the "valid concerns" about people securing their computing devices against third parties?

Lockdown mode significantly effects the usability of the phone. It completely disables JIT js in Safari for example.

"Don't secure your phone it might mess up JavaScript" is not something I had on my 2026 bingo card.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> ---- All above is pure fantasy and never happened, as you probably have already guessed.

Ah, while I was a bit suspicious, I thought it might be real (weirdly worded). What exactly is the point of fabricating this?- Is there a joke I'm blind to?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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The better rational counter argument is that "privacy is a human right enshrined in international law". Society has zero business knowing anyone's private communications, whether or not that person is a terrorist. There is nothing natural about being unable to talk to people privately without your speech being recorded for millions of people to view forever. Moreover, giving society absolute access to private communi…

Who decided absolute privacy in all circumstances is a fundamental human right? I don’t think any government endorses that position. I don’t know what international law you speak of. You’re basing your argument on an axiom that I don’t think everyone would agree with. This sounds like a Tim Cook aphorism (right before he hands the iCloud keys to the CCP) — not anything with any real legal basis.

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Fourth and Fifth amendments disagree

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> forced her finger on Touch ID per the warrant She was not forced, and the warrant does not state that she could be forced. The warrant, almost certainly deliberately, uses far milder language.

You’re saying she complied willingly?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Hannah Natanson is not in prison though.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I get so annoyed by this Socratic line of questioning because it’s extremely obvious. Terrorist has plans and contacts on laptop/phone. Society has a very reasonable interest in that information. But of course there is the rational counter argument of “the government designates who is a terrorist”, and the Trump admin has gleefully flouted norms around that designation endangering rule of law. So all of us are adults…

At the risk of being kind of ass, which I've been trying to be better about lately, I'm going to offer some advice. If you can't even respond to a question about secure computing without bringing American presidential politics into things, perhaps you need to take a break from the news for a few weeks. The reason I asked that question is because I don't think it's complicated. I should be able to lock down my device…

This article is about the Trump admin seizing a reporter’s phone. The politics was here from the start.
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