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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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strangegecko wrote: post #133
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory. It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

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keepamovin wrote: post #200
tormeh wrote: post #176

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I hesitate to call Hetzner "cloud". Hetzner is an EC2+S3 competitor, not an AWS one. IMO the minimum for being a real cloud is you need hosted Postgres, hosted Kafka, hosted Kubernetes, and S3-compatible object storage. Without the first three Hetzner is just not in the same product category. Nobody sensible buys AWS for the comically overpriced EC2.

Is it really so much cheaper to pay for "hosted" apps rather than just plumbing your own on VPS/metal?

It's far cheaper to do it yourself, but the entire point is that you outsource the management of the service. Lots of people don't want to deal with database failovers, or - god forbid - deal with Kubernetes control plane issues.

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okanat wrote: post #228
Phlogi wrote: post #199

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Please list them, especially the ones with managed services..

Hetzner, OVH and Upcloud. All of them have object storage, managed Redis,Postgres and K8S. Most of the time the missing things are homegrown SaaS offerings of big 3 and identity services. You will not find equivalent IAM or BigQuery in indie clouds.

Hetzner has k8s? I only see VMs and block storage.

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Post by watwut »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

> Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software.

USA claims and treats Europe as the ennemy. Not every country treats every other country as the ennemy.

USA is, right now vicious and less trustworthy then China. Which is unfortunate cause China is not trustworthy.

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Post by aziaziazi »

anovikov wrote: post #81
kakacik wrote: post #50

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Country of Ukraine? Those suckers who bought F-35s or at least paid for them? And few other cases. Long term, I agree with you.

What's the problem with F-35s? Israel actively uses them and appears to be very happy. They provided them advantage no one platform could.

The problem is about politic, not F35s capabilities: US is a strong ally of Israel but many don't feel the same in Europe.

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Post by antman »

Given it was revealed that CIA specifically targeted 200million deals and above, it was political naivety amounting ti gross negligence on behalf of Airbus executives that it took them 10 years. Same for many other large organisations and countries, unbelieveable.

Why did it have to be Trump to make them take action?

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-france-wikileaks-economy/...

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Post by pyrale »

keepamovin wrote: post #200
tormeh wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hesitate to call Hetzner "cloud". Hetzner is an EC2+S3 competitor, not an AWS one. IMO the minimum for being a real cloud is you need hosted Postgres, hosted Kafka, hosted Kubernetes, and S3-compatible object storage. Without the first three Hetzner is just not in the same product category. Nobody sensible buys AWS for the comically overpriced EC2.

Is it really so much cheaper to pay for "hosted" apps rather than just plumbing your own on VPS/metal?

On the opposite, it is more expensive, and any large enough company should probably at least consider renting metal rather than services. For a small org, though, it lets you avoid a lot of infrastructure/ops work.

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Post by re-thc »

arrrg wrote: post #177
re-thc wrote: post #153

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See, this is a clear example why hypercynicism (everything has always been maximally evil all the time already) is not at all helpful. You lose your ability to differentiate in your cynical zeal to cast everyone as maximally (undifferentiably) evil all the time.

> See, this is a clear example why hypercynicism is not at all helpful

> lose your ability to differentiate in your cynical zeal to cast everyone as

Somehow calling 1 party out fits your example? Where is the everyone? In no way do I think everyone or every country is evil.

Contrary, yours is a clear example of a superficial take on everything.

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Post by watwut »

blibble wrote: post #169
Lapel2742 wrote: post #128

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> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe No, it never was. > but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy No it hasn't: "There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 mi…

> There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 million citizens, employs only around 60,000 people, while the US federal bureaucracy has more than two million employees that govern a territor…

It makes them lool as efficient as they actually are. Being able to use existing infrastructure is good.
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