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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Even Linus doesn’t act that way anymore. Here’s him a few years ago:

> This week people in our community confronted me about my lifetime of not understanding emotions. My flippant attacks in emails have been both unprofessional and uncalled for.

> Especially at times when I made it personal. In my quest for a better patch, this made sense to me. I know now this was not OK and I am truly sorry. The above is basically a long-winded way to get to the somewhat painful personal admission that hey, I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely.

> I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately.

He took time off and he’s better now. What you call “political correctness” is what I and others call “basic professionalism”. It took Linus 25 years to understand that. I can only hope that the people who hero worshipped him and adopted a similar attitude can also mature.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

> Who would have an incentive to spend resources That's not how threat analysis works. That's a conspiracy theory. You need to consider the difficulty of achieving it. Otherwise I could start speculating which large NAS provider is trying to DDoS me, when in fact it's a script kiddie. As for who would have the most incentives? Unscrupulous AI scrapers. Every unprotected site experiences a flood of AI scrapers/bots.

I think the goal is unclear, but the effect will be that Codeberg will be perceived as less of a real, stable alternative. Breaking in was not in my mind, but that will have the same effect, maybe even more damaging. Now, if that has been the intended effect, I hope I won't have to believe that.

Story time:

I remember that back in the day I had a domain name for a pretty hot keyword with a great, organic position in Google rankings. Then someday it got all of a sudden serious boost from black-SEO, with a bazillion links from all kinds of unrelated websites. My domain got penalized and dropped of from the front page.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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This is just FUD, there is nothing dangerous in having an SSH server open to the internet that only allows key authentication. Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server.

> This is just FUD. No, it's just opsec. > Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server. I wouldn't be so sure about it, considering the things I have seen. I'd better be safe than sorry. You can expose your SSH if you prefer to do so. Just don't connect your server to my network.

"opsec" includes well defined things like threat modeling, risk factors, and such. "Things I have seen" and vague "better safe than sorry" is not part of that.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

Its a thing with (online) culture - no matter what you do you're going to ruffle some feathers.

If no one hates what you are doing chances are you're not doing anything really

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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DDoS are crazy cheap now, it could be a random person for the lulz, or just as a test or demo (though I suspect Codeberg aren't a bit enough target to be impressive there).

Is it because the s in iot stands for security? I'm asking genuinely. Where are these requests coming from?

Search for “residential proxy”.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> This is just FUD. No, it's just opsec. > Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server. I wouldn't be so sure about it, considering the things I have seen. I'd better be safe than sorry. You can expose your SSH if you prefer to do so. Just don't connect your server to my network.

"opsec" includes well defined things like threat modeling, risk factors, and such. "Things I have seen" and vague "better safe than sorry" is not part of that.

There are two golden rules of opsec:

    1. Never tell everything you know and seen.
    2. 
For what I do, you can refer to my profile.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

to quote something I said a day ago about AI spotting in the posts of other people: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46114083 "I think that writing style is more LinkedIn than LLM, the style of people who might get slapped down if they wrote something individual. Much of the world has agreed to sound like machines."

This has always been the case in the "corporate/professional" world imo.

It's just much easier now for "laypeople" to also adjust their style to this. My prediction is people will get quickly tired of it (as evidenced by your comment)

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

They should know that crap software is rarely intentional as they make it out to be in the initial version of the text, what you get is what they are able to build in the environment they are in (that matters too). Capability and environment.
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