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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by smcin »

icy wrote: post #173
smcin wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say "forge" and stuff like "collectively built in the open"? Do you consider the repos "public", "private" or what? You have a very short privacy policy [ https://tangled.sh/privacy ], but no guarantees of AI-bot-scraping protection. What if anything is your users' expectation of privacy of their repos against third parties, including malicious ones? Really you need to set that out clearly in your privacy policy.

Not sure I understand your first comment. Repositories are currently public only since we’re built on the AT Protocol, which doesn’t yet have private data (in the works!). Thanks for the feedback re: the privacy policy. It’s still actively being improved and we take a lot of effort to protect against AI scrapers. I’ll update the policy verbiage to include that.

You were suggesting GitHub users migrate to your forge, and historically, one of GitHub's big features was private repos. And at least historically, Github private repos claimed to provide protections against unauthorized access/scrapers.

But AT Protocol can't.

So currently, you're only suitable for non-commercial users. (Can you name any commercial org using Tangled.sh on source code?)

Does AT Protocol have any rough milestone (date?) for private data?

> we take a lot of effort to protect against AI scrapers.

Sorry that's not stating a guarantee of anything, it's an unquantifiable aspiration. I asked what you guarantee your users. IP access logs? Alerts? Response times? Blocks? IP whitelisting?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jjani »

1attice wrote: post #209
pfisch wrote: post #176

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Nobody even knows about this, no one thinks "Microsoft, hell no, they are a key player in the gaza conflict." No one really associates human rights with Microsoft's reputation. That is the domain of Palantir, Meta, etc.

as a former MSFT employee (who quit for reasons, well before the layoffs) I am not permitted to disparage or portray my former employer in a negative light. I'm just mentioning this for no reason whatsoever. It popped into my head, for some reason.

For life? How can you be bound by this? Unless you sold yourself out for an extra month pay.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by codingdave »

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company.

The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead of following the desires of the customers, they now had to pigeon-hole those desires into the larger business goals of the parent organization.

They all turned into political battles at the leadership level, low morale at the product level, and decent jobs for the engineers as long as they were happy just doing what they were told. For the customers, everything just stagnated. It took years before all the politics sorted themselves out, people chose whether to stay or go, and you got product leadership running who could balance it all out without the baggage of the merger.

So as a Github customer, this does not have me running for the hills. We won't lose functionality. But we won't gain anything we truly desire either - we'll see new features come out that relate to Microsoft's dreams, not our own. At a strategic level, I'd start telling my teams to be sure not to get vendor-locked to any Github features, and always have a migration plan at least conceptualized so that once we see where it all really goes, we are well prepared to either stay or go depending on exactly what Microsoft does in the next couple years.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by tremon »

delfinom wrote: post #145
moffkalast wrote: post #45

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Gitlab is like the SAP of git, something for bloated big corporations. I've never seen a single FOSS repo there.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/ - Freedesktop which is the org for many projects such as Wayland uses gitlab https://gitlab.gnome.org/ - GNOME uses Gitlab https://gitlab.com/kicad/ - KiCad uses Gitlab

and https://salsa.debian.org/public - Debian uses Gitlab.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by coke12 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #138
soulofmischief wrote: post #90

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Just to think of a few, I want improved project management tools, better code review UI/UX, and cost-competitive integrated serverless hosting a la Vercel. GitHub could be a true one-stop shop with a bit more polish.

they have azure and they have github, being an cloudflare or vercel competitor is should be default and easy to achieve idk why they didn't do that tbh, all ingredients are already there

This is arguably why it makes more sense to bring GH under the umbrella. Azure integrations need to happen yesterday. The future is full-stack batteries-included low-codeish platforms that are easy to launch with and then boom you're one click from the Azure product suite. Tighter integration is the only way to do this because of the inherent distribution advantages.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jennyholzer »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #78
stogot wrote: post #75

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Heres the thing: it was a dev company with a side-AI business, but now Microsoft has signaled it wants an AI-GitHub with a dev-side business. The features that will be prioritized will be AI not Git improvement

Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.

Microsoft would create billions of dollars in productivity if they were willing to port Magit features to Github.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rockskon »

Talinx wrote: post #137
mindcrash wrote: post #107

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Or even better, claim full sovereignty (again) and install Forgejo ( https://forgejo.org/ ) on your own hardware. You'll get the same experience as Codeberg, because Codeberg is in fact running on Forgejo

OneDev ( https://onedev.io/ ) is self-hostable, too, and works great.

Hosting costs for self-hosting a popular git repo are prohibitive for many people.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jennyholzer »

pm90 wrote: post #194

Unsurprising but its a terrible move. Github at its core is a software lifecycle management product. To keep it running requires skillsets that are much much different from that of Gen AI/ML/whatever. Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community. I expect to see a lot of the “legacy Github” folks slowly…

> Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community.

It's hard for me to see anything Microsoft does as something other than an intra-corporate political play.

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