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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Did it for 100 years. Nkthing changed. They don't need to make cars into surveillance systems. That's a choice.

That's not entirely true. Most cars have revisions to software. Even ones from the 90s had ways to patch the ECU performed by dealers.

Not without the driver involved in the cycle, either directly or indirectly.

Now they are along for the ride no matter what.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Same. I start driving at a speed that is safe for the distance they're keeping (in stead of what should be the other way around). That is usually quite effective.

That distance is also a function of their speed though.

But it doesn't really matter; you just add a buffer in front of you that allows you to slow more gently so they don't rearend you.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

I can't figure out why car manufacturers insist on building whole parallel universes of UIs, media apps, nav apps et cetera. Doesn't it cost a ton? Do people actually use/want this stuff?

Same with TV manufacturers, or early phones (Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola, LG, Samsung.. had all different OSes and UIs.)

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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I suspect there might be on-board antennas in addition to offboard antennas.

I had a device with wifi, and I figured I could disable the wifi by just disconnecting the antenna.

Nope.

Then I connected the antenna to a dummy load

Nope.

there are onboard antennas that take over and continue to work.

I suspect the same thing for cellular (though I have no actual data about the system in question)

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Fun fact: a modern car takes up to 10 hours to flash at the factory. They have so many microcontrollers and CPUs, it's getting a huge cost to just load up the initial FW during production. Is it all necessary? Hell no.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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I'm starting to think the short software support isn't a bug, it's a feature. They want the car to feel obsolete in 5 years so you're pushed into buying the next model. It's the smartphone sales model, but for a $50,000 purchase.

wait until there are expiring certificates or other nonsense.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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It's arguably a violation of the CFAA.

It wouldn't be a very solid argument. Telematics are universally disclaimed in owners manuals. A good chunk of modern owners manuals are legally-required disclaimers of various sorts which are all deemed valid for those reasons. And a ruling that it doesn't matter because "nobody reads that" wouldn't be a good thing either -- basically that would make most SaaS engineer into criminals.

So I can put a disclaimer in remote shell malware I distribute on the internet and get out of a CFAA violation? I don't think that's quite right. A lot of this software is very clearly malware, that it's shipped by the manufacturer and includes documentation doesn't change that IMO.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Live somewhere with snow or near an ocean. Your frame now has a very short life span. Swapping engines isn't the actual problem.

I live in a place with very harsh winters, and our used cars usually command a premium, simply because we get cold enough that road salt is no longer effective, so the municipalities generally don't bother in the first place.

I really, really wish my area had that mindset. Even on the -25 and lower days, the trucks will be out salting. Thick enough that it basically creates a layer of grit on top of the snow/ice. I end up undercoating my cars 2-3 times per season, and washing them as frequently as possible (every day sometimes). Every aspect of which is horrible for the environment, but letting the car disintegrate is even worse, so it’s a “lesser of two evils” situation.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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post #6

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I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

I posted this above, but in new Lexus RX models at least, the Lexus vehicle management software trumps the AA interface so you're forced to setup their mobile app if you want to use AA (for things like navigation). On a related note, the Bluetooth stack in my F150 doesn't work very well with phone calls. I can place calls fine, but receiving calls will not route them through vehicle audio. I have to turn on speaker p…

They want their hands on that juicy data that Google and apple are getting. It's why GMC opted to make their own instead, and why you have to jump through their hoops first.
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