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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Are they doing that on Android right now?

OP, nuker, please answer, i'm genuinely curious what you think about this

"Former Facebook insiders explain why the company is making such a big fuss over Apple's upcoming privacy change"

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/03/11/why-facebook-is-so-upset...

I have not heard similar tantrum from FB over Android. Makes sense as it is made by an Ad company.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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My initial suspicion of you being a bad faith actor who is just regurgitating "Apple PR talk" has been proven true. 1) Here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44813704 you regurgitate the classic Apple propaganda of "web apps are akshually not 'real' apps" - what makes apps 'real' for Apple propagandists is clearly when everybody is forced to pay Apple 30% tax. 2) The hallmark of the irrational Apple shill is also…

You've got some serious biases sending you some weird places in evaluating my posts. > 1) Here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44813704 you regurgitate the classic Apple propaganda of "web apps are akshually not 'real' apps" - what makes apps 'real' for Apple propagandists is clearly when everybody is forced to pay Apple 30% tax. Yeah, that's my opinion on every platform, including back when I used Android. It's…

>You've got some serious biases sending you some weird places in evaluating my posts.

You are talking about a "serious bias" after spamming the same debunked Apple propaganda, with a 5 days old account? lol.

>> 1) Here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44813704 you regurgitate the classic Apple propaganda of "web apps are akshually not 'real' apps" - what makes apps 'real' for Apple propagandists is clearly when everybody is forced to pay Apple 30% tax.

>Yeah, that's my opinion on every platform, including back when I used Android. It's my opinion on Void Linux. It's my opinion everywhere, whether or not Apple's getting a cut (why would I possibly care that they make more money? Hell I'd love for them to have actual competition in their specific niches, to put downward pressure on their profitability, as far as their actual products they sell go). I've come to it through extensive engagement with the Web and various native ecosystems over decades, as both a user and developer. Webtech is a steaming pile of ass. It's so bad it makes the prior standard-setters for "steaming pile of ass" in its field look good.

Well your opinion is biased nonsense and conveniently regurgitates propaganda designed to defend anti-competitive business practices. Web Apps do an excellent job despite being actively sabotaged and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about since your rhetoric is drenched in misinformation.

>Frankly, fuck off. You're being a dick for absolutely no reason. That's the flat-out truth. I could wrap that in HN-friendly passive-aggression, but screw that, you need to chill the fuck out, to be blunt.

I get that you're not used to getting called out on your dishonest and manipulative rhetoric, but you should have anticipated that before spamming the same debunked Apple propaganda for the 1000th time with a fresh account, because you know that it's bullshit propaganda.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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> One of the most outlandish one being that freedom to use your phone however you want would necessarily compromise security and privacy for everyone. I suppose in a round-a-bout way, it could, more specifically around iMessage, which is Apple's baby in the US and a big part of their lock in effect for US users. Right now, you can reasonably assume that using iMessage with another iPhone user that both ends are reaso…

Is iMessage really that big a deal to people, for privacy / security particularly? Practically speaking I can’t even tell the difference, apart from text messages sometimes failing to send, and getting the option to retry as SMS. If I want something private / secure, I use Signal.

Yes, people use iMessage to securely share/collaborate on many objects in iOS, like a shared Apple Note. It is used for much more than just sending text messages back and forth.

I use Signal but it leaves much to be desired relative to iMessage for a lot of uses.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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I think the real issue is that without enforcement measures, apps by bad actors like Facebook have free rein to find holes in the sandbox and similar. Even in the event that iOS allows choice of App Store globally, it might not be the worst thing to let them keep a kill switch on automatic distribution of individual apps (which once flipped off, users would need to sideload the app in question) so when some third par…

Then Apple can just work harder on securing the OS. When desktop OS security is discussed does anyone ever seriously float the idea that maybe we should only allow MS, Apple, or Linus approved apps to run on the OS to avoid hackers having free rein to find holes? The market for sideloading apps is anyway much smaller than the whole mobile market because most people can’t be bothered to do it. The ones determined to i…

No matter how much Apple invests into security, parties like Meta will find holes to exploit because it’s profitable to do so. It’s a cat and mouse game, and so even though Apple should be investing in security they also need to be able to put an end to the game when there’s obvious abuse afoot.

I’m not as supportive of this ability for computers, but the market is so broad and large for mobile devices that I feel it’s a bit of a different creature.

And yes, I agree that for sideloaded apps all bets are off. That’s why I mentioned Apple having a kill switch only on automated distribution, e.g. through app stores (first party or otherwise). So for example if it turns out that Facebook has been making constant use of exploits for a while, jumping from one to the next as they’re fixed — in this situation Apple can stop it from being installed or updated from any app store (even one run by Meta), meaning the only way to install or update it is through fully manual side loading until they clean their act up.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Apple's Safari is unfortunately not keeping away the Web from being a Chrome monoculture.

It's the only reason you don't see a lot more broken websites on Firefox, which would drive its market share even lower. Lots and lots of Web development projects target Chrome, then make sure it works on Safari. In that second step, they accidentally fix a lot of bugs that'd show up on Firefox, too. Not a lot of them are bothering to check Firefox directly these days. Hell, a decade ago it wasn't making the test lis…

Yeah, Firefox is on life support.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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> the determination is made based on the degree of likelihood that [it will prevent alternative browser engines] If you interpret that very liberally, doing a region-locked "you can release alternate browser engines but only regionlocked to japanese apple accounts" could be seen as intentionally preventing alternative browsers from existing. Why would mozilla port firefox when it can only target a tiny fraction of it…

My understanding is that Gecko has already been ported to iOS.

It's still a huge amount of work to support two ios builds for such a small audience. Also, the prototype they had no has jit because apple makes targeting ios a moving target (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1904546), and it has never been polished enough for end users.

Not having JIT is a showstopper on the modern web where most sites take more javascript than all of windows 3.1 and word perfect combined.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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But I like the walled prison where I can't screw up and make choices for myself. I appreciate that Apple makes it so I can't accidentally give my coordinates and have some Monarch track me and murder me or leak my noods. +4500 upvoots (I always thought it was suspicious that the anti-apple headline had +30k upvoots on reddit, but the top comment was pro-apple with significantly less. Its almost like they paid an exte…

You’re thinking like an end user and not like someone who has provide tech support for others. One of the best things I did to make my life easier was getting mom a Chromebook.

You can root a Chromebook if you choose to accept the risks involved. This is officially supported.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Everybody is talking about Chrome, but I tell ya what I have that disabled on my Android in favor of Firefox. Firefox on mobile with full-fat uBlock Origin is the closest thing to parity with desktop web access you can get. I don't just block ads, I block elements on sites I don't care about with :has-text RegEx rules. You can't do that on Chrome even on desktop anymore. I'm this close to swapping to the Android as m…

Wake me up when someone makes a better Reminders, Calendar and Photos app on Android...

I'm using AdGuard for blocking ads in Safari. Works fine.

I do have a GrapheneOS pixel 7a as well but I'd rather not let Google near my shit.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Apple's Safari is unfortunately not keeping away the Web from being a Chrome monoculture.

Apple is the only thing keeping web standards in place. Many vendors we work with only support Chrome, including Chrome... on iOS. Which means because on iOS that's just Safari, the website has to meet web standards. So we know thanks to Apple, it'll work on Firefox! Soon as this happens, Chrome is the web. The OWA knows this, it's their goal, it's an astroturf outfit.

Yes, I see your point. Apple and the Safari lock-in might be a bad thing, but doing that away will only result in Chrome everywhere.
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