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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by 8note »

bdangubic wrote: post #133
1970-01-01 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically yes, but the money game was CBS losing a massive lawsuit to POTUS.

I would agree with this if this was factual, the money cbs paid via 60 minutes nonsense is same if you were fined a dime for something you did today. so not “massive” but whatever is the exact opposite of massive The show itself was losing viewership cause who the F watches late night TV these days?

is said late night TV actually expensive though? they have a payong audience, and the whole thing is an ad for whoever is selling a book or movie release.

whats gonna replace that slot that people are gonna watch? a blank screen?

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Post by 8note »

josephcsible wrote: post #137
krapp wrote: post #113

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I don't know what your definition of "actual" free speech is but there are certainly limits to free speech even in the US[0]. And those are just explicit limits. Try supporting Palestine on a college campus or mentioning women or gay people in any government funded scientific publication, or finding a book portraying pro-LGBT content in a library or a school curriculum that portrays slavery in a way that "makes white…

Isn't freedom of speech just "you're allowed to say whatever you want", and not "you're entitled to the use of taxpayer dollars to help distribute your message" or "you're entitled to have the government force children to read your message"?

having a green card or visa stripped because you said something is not "having the government force children to read your message"

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Post by 8note »

encom wrote: post #138
krapp wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what your definition of "actual" free speech is but there are certainly limits to free speech even in the US[0]. And those are just explicit limits. Try supporting Palestine on a college campus or mentioning women or gay people in any government funded scientific publication, or finding a book portraying pro-LGBT content in a library or a school curriculum that portrays slavery in a way that "makes white…

The limits to speech (in USA) depends (roughly) on if it's intended to incite imminent lawless action and is likely to do so. Actual speech is communicating ideas or opinions, even distasteful or unpopular ones. The fact that university morons throw a riot if anyone disagrees with them (many such cases), does not affect your right to do so. Denmark passed a law in 2023 that makes public burning, tearing, stepping on,…

thats a historical view, but not the most useful now that the second american revolution has happened.

things that lightly annoyed the president is now the decider between legal and illegal speech in the US, and the punishment is death, because nothing the president does that could be part of their regular responsibilities like talking to secret service assasins, can be considered in court proceedings.

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Post by cperciva »

tptacek wrote: post #221
cperciva wrote: post #218

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"Not as advertised" chargebacks. That industry is also full of subscription scams (e.g. someone thinks they're ordering a supplement for $5.99, but they're actually getting signed up for $39.99/month...).

Also the products don't work!

I don't think the credit card networks would care about that if it weren't for the risk of chargebacks. Credit card networks have no problem with processing payments for churches!

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Post by pazimzadeh »

dmix wrote: post #84
pazimzadeh wrote: post #83

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Because "anti-abortion/pro-life" removes a right from women. Trading the rights of a developed adult for the rights of a hypothetical future person. What does ancapistanism have to do with it? Is there a non-religious reason to be against the right to choose abortion up to 24 weeks of pregnancy?

Well social/religious conservatives often think the child has rights even during pregnancy so it's not as simple as the mothers rights. The libertarian view tends to much more favour the parents rights to make choices for their children if I remember correctly, and obviously favour the option where the government isn't deciding for them.

Right, is there a non-religious reason to be against the right to choose to abort early during pregnancy?

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by tptacek »

cperciva wrote: post #234
tptacek wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the products don't work!

I don't think the credit card networks would care about that if it weren't for the risk of chargebacks. Credit card networks have no problem with processing payments for churches!

Right, no, I'm just saying: that drives a lot of chargebacks.

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

manwe150 wrote: post #220
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #167

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> I am genuinely curious who can actually threaten Visa (I do not think it is Valve). Visa is a clearing house whose members are banks. Think of it like a payment router between issuers (banks) and processors (banks). Only sponsored organizations can directly use the "Visa rails", where "sponsor" is defined as a bank, a bank subsidiary, or an entity previously sponsored by one of the other two. This is also the case…

I thought Venmo was trying the most with their card offers, as well as PayPal, Cash, Google Pay and several others too

> I thought Venmo was trying the most with their card offers, as well as PayPal, Cash, Google Pay and several others too

I know at least two of the above used to use a specific US bank for the credit card transactions backing their payment services. For others, if service usage requires a verified credit card or debit card backed by a credit card network, they too use a processor owned/operated by a bank, bank subsidiary, or an entity sponsored by same.

EDIT:

For payment services which do not require a credit card or debit card backed by a credit card network, they almost certainly use the ACH[0] network. This is a more intimate financial relationship and best used with a dedicated bank account not linked to any others, as fund transfers can be bidirectional.

0 - https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/ach-vs-check/

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Post by bitwize »

maxbond wrote: post #161

Why do payment processors do stuff like this? Is there some regulation that requires them to? I get that they don't want to process fraudulent transactions, but I'd think the response to a higher percentage of fraud from some industry would be to charge them more. It doesn't make sense to me why they would be concerned about the content of games, as long as everything is legal and the parties concerned aren't subject…

It could be a holdover from Operation Choke Point, an Obama-administration arm-twisting initiative that would subject banks to more regulatory scrutiny and possible disciplinary action if they did business with certain "high-risk businesses" including firearm and pornography sellers. Ostensibly the initiative was ended in 2017, but banks are probably still afraid to be handed the black spot for doing business with the "wrong" sorts of people.

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Post by SJC_Hacker »

ijk wrote: post #183
maxbond wrote: post #161

Why do payment processors do stuff like this? Is there some regulation that requires them to? I get that they don't want to process fraudulent transactions, but I'd think the response to a higher percentage of fraud from some industry would be to charge them more. It doesn't make sense to me why they would be concerned about the content of games, as long as everything is legal and the parties concerned aren't subject…

One factor is the ongoing campaigns from number of moral crusading groups who lobby them to cut off payment processing for things they don't approve of. NCOSE has been working for decades on the project, and targeting credit card companies has been a successful tactic for them for a decade or so. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/visa-and-mastercard-ar... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/why-visa-mastercard-being…

They tried to do the same to OnlyFans, but lost that battle

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Post by bdangubic »

8note wrote: post #231
bdangubic wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree with this if this was factual, the money cbs paid via 60 minutes nonsense is same if you were fined a dime for something you did today. so not “massive” but whatever is the exact opposite of massive The show itself was losing viewership cause who the F watches late night TV these days?

is said late night TV actually expensive though? they have a payong audience, and the whole thing is an ad for whoever is selling a book or movie release. whats gonna replace that slot that people are gonna watch? a blank screen?

if you have a car that is a money pit you and your family keep bleeding money on to make repairs, would you keep making repairs or get another car? all of TV is a simple money game, shows get canceled, new ones spruce up, they get canceled, some are super successful but run their course, others stink from the get-go. what is going to replace the late show? not sure but whatever it does it better make money for cbs or the same faith awaits it
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