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Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by rubslopes » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:02 PM UTC

ednite wrote: post #108

Not an expert here, just speaking from experience as a working dev. I don’t think AI is going to replace my job as a software developers anytime soon, but it’s definitely changing how we work (and in many cases, already has). Personally, I use AI a lot. It’s great for boilerplate, getting unstuck, or even offering alternative solutions I wouldn’t have thought of. But where it still struggles sometimes is with the why…

> Even if I prompt with security as the top priority...

A bit of a counterpoint: I've been programming for 12 years, but only recently started working in webdev. I have a general understanding of cybersecurity, but I never had to actively implement security measures in my code until now—and my boss is always pushing for speed.

AI has been incredible in that regard. I can ask it to review my code for vulnerabilities, explain what they are, and outline the pros and cons of each strategy. In just a month, I've learned a lot about JWT, CSRF, DDoS protection, and more.

In another world, my web apps would be far more vulnerable.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by lapcat » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

ookblah wrote: post #218

bluefirebrand wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guiding and teaching developers is rewarding because human connections are important I don't mentor juniors because it makes me more productive I mentor juniors because I enjoy watching a human grow and develop and gain expertise I am reminded of reports that Ian McKellen broke down crying on the set of one of The Hobbit movies because the joy of being an actor for him was nothing like acting on green screen sets del…

and just to play devil's advocate maybe some people don't enjoy that? remove the issue of training the next generation for a moment. just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want.

> and just to play devil's advocate

Your comment would be improved by simply removing that phrase. It adds nothing and in fact detracts.

> just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want.

You're presenting a false dichotomy. If someone doesn't enjoying mentoring juniors, that's fine. They shouldn't have to. But why would one have to choose between mentoring juniors or babysitting LLM agents? How about neither?

sasmithjr was apparently trying to defend babysitting A.I. by making an analogy with mentoring juniors, whereas I replied by arguing that the two are not alike. Whether or not you enjoy using A.I. is an entirely separate issue, independent of mentoring.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by touisteur » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:08 PM UTC

bigbuppo wrote: post #162

touisteur wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You (and I) prefer to keep the pilot s there, but still, there's a push to need only one person and not two in that plane/cockpit. I have little to no doubt we'll have to relearn some hard lessons after we've AI'd up pilots.

And yet there's plenty of evidence that having three pilots in the cockpit is usually a better option when the inevitable happens.

For those who can stomach it, reading aviation accident reports, listening to actual recorded voice footage, you very often read about the cognitive load of a two-person team trying to get through a shitty moment.

Richard de Crespigny, who flew the Quantas A380 that blew one of its engines after a departure from Changi, explains very clearly and in a gripping way the amount of stuff happening while trying to save an aircraft.

Lots of accidents happen today already at the seams of automation, I don't think we're collectively ready for a world with much more automation, especially in the name of more shareholder value of a 4 dollars discount.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by wyclif » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:08 PM UTC

rubslopes wrote: post #231

ednite wrote: post #108

Not an expert here, just speaking from experience as a working dev. I don’t think AI is going to replace my job as a software developers anytime soon, but it’s definitely changing how we work (and in many cases, already has). Personally, I use AI a lot. It’s great for boilerplate, getting unstuck, or even offering alternative solutions I wouldn’t have thought of. But where it still struggles sometimes is with the why…

> Even if I prompt with security as the top priority... A bit of a counterpoint: I've been programming for 12 years, but only recently started working in webdev. I have a general understanding of cybersecurity, but I never had to actively implement security measures in my code until now—and my boss is always pushing for speed. AI has been incredible in that regard. I can ask it to review my code for vulnerabilities,…

In that sense, AI is a tremendous learning tool. You could have learned about those subjects before, but it would have taken exponentially longer to search, scan, appropriate, and integrate them together to form a potential solution to a real-world problem.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by skwee357 » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:18 PM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #180

skwee357 wrote: post #37

The problem with “AI will replace all jobs” hype, is that it also comes with a flavor of “and we all will do creative work”, while in reality AI replaces all the creative work and people go back to collecting garbage or other physically demanding and mundane jobs.

Why would you think garbage collecting or other mundane jobs won't be automated when much more complex ones are? If AI+robotization gets to the point where most jobs are automated, humans will get to do.what they actually want to do. For some it's endless entertainment. For others it's science exploration, pollution cleanup, space colonization, curing the disease. All of that with the help of the AIs.

By the time robots will be able to do personal trainings in, say, boxing; or fix people’s roofs, humanity will long be dead or turned into power source for said robots.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by ookblah » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:19 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #232

ookblah wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and just to play devil's advocate maybe some people don't enjoy that? remove the issue of training the next generation for a moment. just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want.

> and just to play devil's advocate Your comment would be improved by simply removing that phrase. It adds nothing and in fact detracts. > just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want. You're presenting a false dichotomy. If someone doesn…

i was trying to frame it as something i'm also grappling with, but i digress poor choice of words.

maybe you're responding to the wrong person? because i'm not even disagreeing with you on that. maybe they want both or neither, that's fine.

the person i'm responding to is framing mentoring as some kind must have from a "socialization" standpoint (which i disagreed with, but i get the practical aspect of it where if you don't have people train juniors there won't be seniors).

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by bluefirebrand » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:22 PM UTC

ookblah wrote: post #236

lapcat wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and just to play devil's advocate Your comment would be improved by simply removing that phrase. It adds nothing and in fact detracts. > just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want. You're presenting a false dichotomy. If someone doesn…

i was trying to frame it as something i'm also grappling with, but i digress poor choice of words. maybe you're responding to the wrong person? because i'm not even disagreeing with you on that. maybe they want both or neither, that's fine. the person i'm responding to is framing mentoring as some kind must have from a "socialization" standpoint (which i disagreed with, but i get the practical aspect of it where if y…

No, not "socialization" as in "having social interactions with other people"

I mean "socialization" as in "being a positive part of and building a society worth living in"

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by sasmithjr » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:28 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #232

ookblah wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and just to play devil's advocate maybe some people don't enjoy that? remove the issue of training the next generation for a moment. just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want.

> and just to play devil's advocate Your comment would be improved by simply removing that phrase. It adds nothing and in fact detracts. > just like with open vs. closed offices or remote vs in-person, maybe some people have all the human interaction they want outside of work and don't mind "talking" to some AI as long as it gets shit done in the manner they want. You're presenting a false dichotomy. If someone doesn…

> sasmithjr was apparently trying to defend babysitting A.I. by making an analogy with mentoring juniors

I regret adding that last bit to my comment because my main point (which I clearly messed up emphasizing and communicating) is that I think you’re presenting a false dichotomy in the original comment. Now that work can be done with LLMs asynchronously, it’s possible to both write your own code and guide LLMs as they need it when you have down time. And nothing about that requires stopping other functions of the job like mentoring and teaching juniors, either, so you can still build relationships on the job, too.

If having to attend to an LLM in any way makes the job worse for you, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. So far, LLMs feel like one of many other automations that I use frequently and haven’t really changed my satisfaction with my job.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by ookblah » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:32 PM UTC

bluefirebrand wrote: post #237

ookblah wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i was trying to frame it as something i'm also grappling with, but i digress poor choice of words. maybe you're responding to the wrong person? because i'm not even disagreeing with you on that. maybe they want both or neither, that's fine. the person i'm responding to is framing mentoring as some kind must have from a "socialization" standpoint (which i disagreed with, but i get the practical aspect of it where if y…

No, not "socialization" as in "having social interactions with other people" I mean "socialization" as in "being a positive part of and building a society worth living in"

and why do you think that has to exist solely within the confines of work? not that you said that, but your comments seem to suggest that if you don't like or want to mentor junior devs then you don't value human connections. thus my comment about having enough connections outside of work.

if it's rewarding to you that's great, but don't frame it as something bigger than it is. i would hope we are all "being a positive part of and building a society worth living in" in our own way.

Re: "AI Will Replace All the Jobs " Is Just Tech Execs Doing Marketing

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Post by yoyohello13 » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 6:32 PM UTC

ffsm8 wrote: post #185

yoyohello13 wrote: post #166

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I think the comparisons to lamp lighters or whatever don't quite capture why this is so much worse. The training for those jobs was relatively low. You don't need a decade of school to become a lamp lighter. So if the white collar bloodbath is true. We have to tell a bunch of people, who have spent a significant portion of their lives training for a specific jobs and may be in debt for that education, to go do manual…

You honestly think it's gonna take more then a few years until everything else to follow? Seriously, once something is able to do 90% of a white collar workers job, general ai has gotten far enough for robotics to take over/decimate the other industries within the decade.

Seems like that would make the civil unrest worse not better.