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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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In the mid aughts I decided against computer science as a major based on media forecasts of offshoring destroying the market for programmers. That was a mistake. I ended up a programmer anyway, just with a degree that didn’t really prepare me for it. As for the data, starting with 2019 is going to skew things. In 2022-2023 things went sideways and many big tech employers didn’t extend any intern offers or didn’t even…

I really identify with your first paragraph. I enjoyed writing for the school paper and programing in high school, but I didn't see much of a future in either, for different reasons (death of print and offshoring). I graduated around the time that 538 launched a new appreciation for data-driven journalism, so maybe I could have been in a good position.

I ended up running the data science division at a digital publisher, so I guess I backed into that space after all.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…

I respect that. I graduated during the Great Recession. Ended up working for extremely low wages out of college and ultimately went to grad school after getting nowhere in trying to find a better position.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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Your beliefs are your own. Personally I would consider those beliefs to be a clown show for the most part with few exceptions. GDP alone does nothing for the human condition. To me, productive actions are not those that increase GDP or the stock price, but those that improve the human condition. The rich have a moral obligation to fund activities that improve the human condition, preferably by themselves without gove…

>Personally I would consider those beliefs to be a clown show for the most part with few exceptions.

You call my views a clown show, but I find your views just naive and childish. As well as antiquated. Just old school Marxism that has failed countless times, never once in history actually ending-well.

>The rich have a moral obligation to fund activities...CO2, microplastics, and PFAS as we have been doing...

The rich aren't responsible for microplastics and everything else. This is just silly thus I can't address it further.

>Tariffs are going to be a complete and utter failure due to the "first sale rule", ...

Tariffs are in use and have been by every other country in the world. This anti-Trump narrative that somehow they're only bad when Trump enacts them is something that no serious person could tolerate. I'm surprised those of you on the left are still reaching for this one. Tariffs work, and they worked in the USA 100 years ago before the personal income tax, which is truly a criminal policy. And not just because it's an unapportioned direct tax.

>Money doesn't solve problems for the vast majority of people who don't know how to use money to solve problems. It solves numerous problems for those who know how to use it intelligently.

Which is exactly why money hasn't solved any problems. Anyone prepared to handle money, earns it themselves and handles it. And that's why handing out money doesn't solve poverty. This is where your views are naive, if it were so easy- most of our problems would be solved by the Year of Our Lord 2025. Yet we're not even close, and took many steps back because of antiquated, backwards views like yours.

>It is not "entitled" to have certain expectations about the stability of the legal visa system.

Yes it is. We owe them nothing, that's why it's entitlement to have any expectations of someone else's country.

>entitlement comes in when one wants to bypass the action to get the result, like you do.

No basis for your assertion exists. Native Americans like myself have been here over 300 years and built everything around you. The action was already done, the actual building and settlement of this country was done by a specific population, for their ancestors, not the world. Just like every other country on Earth. Time travel and ask them if their struggle is for someone else's children, or their own. What this debate comes down to is a power struggle, who is going to hold power, and given Donald Trump had everything possible thrown at him, constant Nazi name calling, and still elected president says that more native Americans- brown, black, and white, agree with me than with you. The enemy here isn't racial as you think, no one is actually racist. That's left wing propaganda that everyone is done falling for. While you live in moral outrage at "how dare he!", the rest of us are tired of the left, with ideas like you espouse. Giving it all away to everyone else, and selling us down the river for shekels.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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Your beliefs are your own. Personally I would consider those beliefs to be a clown show for the most part with few exceptions. GDP alone does nothing for the human condition. To me, productive actions are not those that increase GDP or the stock price, but those that improve the human condition. The rich have a moral obligation to fund activities that improve the human condition, preferably by themselves without gove…

> Personally I would consider those beliefs to be a clown show for the most part with few exceptions. You call my views a clown show, but I find your views just naive and childish. As well as antiquated. Just old school Marxism that has failed countless times, never once in history actually ending-well. > The rich have a moral obligation to fund activities...CO2, microplastics, and PFAS as we have been doing... The r…

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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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Your definition of "the economy" must be how Google shareholders feel. Which doesn't concern me. Individuals in the USA have been experiencing the pain alone for a few decades now. They've felt a very real crash for quite a while now. For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is the economy. That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Any pain Google feels in the shift to tariffs and…

> For me, how a worker born in the US is doing is "the economy". That's the New Right, while your views represent the Left in this country. Great, now drop the African deriding American workers and signing praise of Pajeet River-shitter and I'll beleive you.

Interesting litmus test and response. I'm not here to convince you. I'm not actually racist. I like Indians and think they're wonderful people. This topic is really about an injustice, not really a focus on population groups.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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We don't have millions of H1Bs being hired in the US. The exact number isn't tracked but I don't think any estimate puts it at more than a million.

I just googled and in 2024 there >200k approvals for Indian nationals. That’s one year, one source country. And I believe that’s capped. Over time, it must be millions.

200k is the cumulative number
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