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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Doesn’t the Shinkansen and other HSR systems get rid of at grade road crossings? Yes, without people actually crossing in the tracks, you’ll get less deaths that way.

Sounds like getting rid of at-grade road crossings is a good thing, who've thought? Sounds like a good investment to me regardless of rail speed.

Ya, the only cost is money and space, but you can make your own space if you don’t mind viaducts everywhere.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Look up stress to failure tests on commercial airplanes. They know how much peak load is supposed to be for the airframe, then they go well beyond it to see how the plane fails. Generally you want the wings to break not the fuselage. You can in a lot of situations land a plane with 1.5 wings. But once the spine cracks you’re just a ballistic object.

The parts are designed for "ultimate load" which is 150% of the worst case maximum load expected to ever see in service. I used to work at Boeing on the 757 stabilizer trim system. There's the design group and the stress group. I was in the design group, the stress group double checks the design work. One day the stress group called me on the carpet, and asked me why my designs consistently just barely exceeded 150%.…

757 stabilizer trim system

Have you shared your thoughts on MCAS? I feel like there are a lot of potential lessons that got missed for all the noise.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #91

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Look up stress to failure tests on commercial airplanes. They know how much peak load is supposed to be for the airframe, then they go well beyond it to see how the plane fails. Generally you want the wings to break not the fuselage. You can in a lot of situations land a plane with 1.5 wings. But once the spine cracks you’re just a ballistic object.

The parts are designed for "ultimate load" which is 150% of the worst case maximum load expected to ever see in service. I used to work at Boeing on the 757 stabilizer trim system. There's the design group and the stress group. I was in the design group, the stress group double checks the design work. One day the stress group called me on the carpet, and asked me why my designs consistently just barely exceeded 150%.…

I also love the 757, but never had as good a reason as you other than knowing the flight characteristics of the plane. Sad to see them disappearing from the icelandair fleet, is there anything else comparable? The modern 737 variants sure don't seem to be.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Better cold water and not PFAS/firefighting foam edit: apparently Canada banned PFAS in firefighting foam.

The US Forest Service also banned firefighting foam in parks or anywhere where endangered species are found. Now that they're defunded I bet we're gonna get a lot more of that stuff everywhere

Don’t forget OSHA. Those chemicals and nomex turnout gear are a source of elevated cancers in firefighters.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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That's incredible. The plane literally turned over and burnt but no casualty. The flight staff must have done as amazing job keeping everyone calm and helped everyone get out of the upside, burning plane.

Per the article, one passenger "was flying to Toronto for a paramedics conference". Maybe there were more conference-goers.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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I've been looking for a video of the landing to see how it over turned, but haven't found one yet. I would have expected all airport runways to have multiple security cameras pointing at them t all times in this day and age.

Here is the first video I saw posted on the aviation subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_...

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #157

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Air traffic controllers were not laid off. Nevermind that this is Toronto. And Delta pays for its own mechanics.

They are indeed being laid off https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/trump-begin...

That article says one air traffic controller was laid off.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_in... Seems to instantly prove you wrong ..

If anyone's wondering. Based on the link we have, Fatalities: 2025: 77 (2 fatal accidents) 2024: 0 2023: 0 2022: 10 (1) 2021: 0 2020: 9 (1) 2019: 7 (2) 2018: 1 (1) 2017: 0 2016: 0 2015: 0 2014: 0 2013: 13 (2) 2012: 0 2011: 0 2010: 0 We do indeed seem to be having a particularly bad year. It's only February of 2025 and there's been more than double the total deaths than in the past decade

Is Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 missing?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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post #165

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If anyone's wondering. Based on the link we have, Fatalities: 2025: 77 (2 fatal accidents) 2024: 0 2023: 0 2022: 10 (1) 2021: 0 2020: 9 (1) 2019: 7 (2) 2018: 1 (1) 2017: 0 2016: 0 2015: 0 2014: 0 2013: 13 (2) 2012: 0 2011: 0 2010: 0 We do indeed seem to be having a particularly bad year. It's only February of 2025 and there's been more than double the total deaths than in the past decade

Is Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 missing?

As far as I know, it still is.

(Sorry, could not resist...)

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