How long till it gets added to https://killedbymozilla.com/?
Orbit by Mozilla
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do agree with your sentiment on cost, especially regarding exploding co2 emissions for LLMs, but it sounds like you're putting the blame mostly on Mozilla for what is market dynamics in capitalism, with most of the contenders being heavily VC-funded, and where Mozilla maybe just tries to signal that "AI" can be done responsibly also. If they don't try, people will blame them for "being late to the game/out of touch…
people will blame anyone for anything. mozilla is a non-profit so doesn't need to respond to market signals. it would do a lot more and a lot more sustainably if it focused on the core mission of its browser. but these costly "big swings" justify outrageous compensation packages for its executives and so it lets its browser wither.
> it would do a lot more and a lot more sustainably if it focused on the core mission of its browser.
Some numbers to put things in perspective: https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume...
FF is still a solid choice, privacy-wise (with some manual tweaking), but just in the past few years 80-90% of their revenue came from adtech partnerships, so expect a series of rug pulls like the recent ones.
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#233This is the 4th time this has been posted here.
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#234Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.
Firefox is genuinely fine, great even, I've used it for years and have no complaints. But you notice in all these threads, everyone who theoretically ought to use Firefox comes up with their own little list of nitpicks that justify them not using it. "I can't use it because I was disgusted when they dropped feature x" "I won't use it because they spent their money on feature y instead of just doing z" Meanwhile Chrom…
You're right in a way. The problem is that Mozilla seems unwilling to accept that that's their audience, so they keep trying to appeal to the 95%. If they would just double down on the "power user" audience they could make a killer browser. But instead they alienate those nitpicky users with pointless UI changes, breaking extensions, and so on.
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#235I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…
This is a local device LLM, outdated of a whole year, which is massive for LLMs, running on servers.
Privacy side, there is little reason to run this on servers, a Pixel 6 could run 7B models at 5 token/s a year ago.
It's bad by incompetence, 7B models of a year ago were terribly bad. It's not privacy-first enough, as it's possible to run the AI directly in the browser, but for some reason they didnt do it.
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#236This is the 4th time this has been posted here.
And it still doesn't work on on Firefox Mobile. Disappointing.
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#237I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…
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> Mozilla only problem is being transparent about telemetry.
It's far from that: https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume...
(I still think FF is one of the best choices privacy wise, it's just that we don't have that many choices left)
> HN is fine with tracking, smartphones, and every surveillance capitalist trick in the book
(meta comment, thinking aloud here, feel free to skip) You might be conflating two different groups of users, each vocal about different subjects. That said, there's a big group of people on HN, who just enjoy being annoyingly contrarian. Then some people derive pleasure from pointing out some "moral fallacy" on whatever they perceive as the opposite part of their political/ideological spectrum ("you think my flashlight app collecting fingerprinting data from your phone is evil? well, your browser doesn't block all cookies by default you hypocrite!"). Life's too short for psychoanalysing the orange site, so I'll stop here.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Firefox is genuinely fine, great even, I've used it for years and have no complaints. But you notice in all these threads, everyone who theoretically ought to use Firefox comes up with their own little list of nitpicks that justify them not using it. "I can't use it because I was disgusted when they dropped feature x" "I won't use it because they spent their money on feature y instead of just doing z" Meanwhile Chrom…
You're right in a way. The problem is that Mozilla seems unwilling to accept that that's their audience, so they keep trying to appeal to the 95%. If they would just double down on the "power user" audience they could make a killer browser. But instead they alienate those nitpicky users with pointless UI changes, breaking extensions, and so on.
I don't think there's any real future in catering to the most demanding users, most of which are completely unwilling to actually pay for a power user browser.
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#240So, I'm reading there's a free, anonymous Mistral endpoint somewhere with the bill being footed by Mozilla.