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New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #112

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My understanding is that, if you judge by traffic, The New York Times is actually a cooking blog and online gaming platform that dabbles a bit in journalism on the side.

Locals newspapers were a grocery shopper and a comic book that dabbled in journalism as well.

Don't forget the classifieds as a critical revenue stream.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #132
post #116

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Let's put those numbers in perspective: $100k is about $72k after tax[0]. Suppose I want to support a family in NYC. Average cost of living is about $9,000/mo for a family of four[1]. That's $108,000 per year. Or about $36,000 above what I would need to support an average 2-kid family, living paycheck-to-paycheck. So if I want to be able to support a family, 100k is not even close to enough. edit: forgot to add the s…

Most families have more than one earner, though.

"It's not a bad deal because you can just deploy more of your household's available labor to earn more."

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #154

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> Negotiations between it and the Times hit logjams over things like a “just cause” provision that prevents the company from firing workers unless it’s for something like misconduct, as well as pay increases, pay equity, and return-to-office policies, reports the Times. https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/4/24287600/new-york-times-t... I dunno. It is a negotiation between the union and the company. They might not have p…

As a foreigner it’s so alien to me that such a provision isn’t mandated by law anyway, and that there isn’t broad support in the population to restrict employers from firing at will… wild.

> As a foreigner

I strongly suspect that, as usual in discussions like this, by “foreigner” you specifically mean “European” or “Canadian” or “Australian”.

The US is surely not alone in having a relative lack of legally mandated job security.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

The 2nd quote is kind of funny, but the first one isn’t.

Tech generates more money than the Times. It makes sense that the employees should be paid to reflect that.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with high paid workers striking for even higher pay. It’s not like the suits don’t hoard bonuses for themselves.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #132
post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's put those numbers in perspective: $100k is about $72k after tax[0]. Suppose I want to support a family in NYC. Average cost of living is about $9,000/mo for a family of four[1]. That's $108,000 per year. Or about $36,000 above what I would need to support an average 2-kid family, living paycheck-to-paycheck. So if I want to be able to support a family, 100k is not even close to enough. edit: forgot to add the s…

Most families have more than one earner, though.

More than a few do not. You shouldn’t have to barely scrape by as a single parent in one of the most wealthy countries in the world.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

People will laugh at it, but pet bereavement should absolutely be a thing. The saddest I've ever been in my life was when my dog died. Perhaps seven days is a bit much, but when you go to the bargaining table you don't start with what you want, you start past that point then negotiate down.

I think the issue is that it comes off as egregiously woke.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #146

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When I see people critique those numbers as being “too high”, or demands for additional compensation “unreasonable”, I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time. Truth be told, for the present cost of living in the Northeast in general, you’re looking at a family income of $300k to be “comfor…

>I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time. False. $45k in 2005 is only $73k today, when adjusted for inflation[1]. Even if you use the most generous interpretation of "2000s" to mean 2000, that's only $82k. [1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

This doesn't account for the fact that cost of living doesn't rise at the same rate everywhere. You can't just use national statistics for this. It's entirely possible that in NYC the cost of living went up more than 2x since the 2000s.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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As much as I am a bolshy union member and supporter, this doesn't seem too bad on the surface, the article doesn't make clear what the issues with it are? Times management said in an email to workers on Sunday that it had offered a 2.5 percent annual wage increase, a minimum 5 percent pay increase for promotions and a $1,000 ratification bonus. It also said that the company would maintain its current in-office work r…

> the article doesn't make clear what the issues with it are? What is not clear? The article tells that the issues are contention around return to office policies (as your quote tells, change is planned for July) and wanting a “just cause” provision.

But it's a reasonable offer, there is no clarity in the article about exactly what is so bad they need to strike.

Eg if they said we haven't had a pay rise for ten years, that would provide context.

Nothing in the article gives a justification for a strike. That's not to say the justification doesn't exist but it's not remotely elucidated.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will laugh at it, but pet bereavement should absolutely be a thing. The saddest I've ever been in my life was when my dog died. Perhaps seven days is a bit much, but when you go to the bargaining table you don't start with what you want, you start past that point then negotiate down.

I think the issue is that it comes off as egregiously woke.

It's woke to grieve important members of your household? You don't think that's a little reactionary?
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