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New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

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Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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From this article: > The guild said it was asking readers to honor its digital picket line by not playing Times Games products, such as Wordle, and not using the Cooking app. I’m not familiar with digital picket lines, why not ask that people not read via the site? Tying the picket line to Wordle and the cooking app seems to trivialize the importance of the team – Wordle was an acquisition!

My understanding is that, if you judge by traffic, The New York Times is actually a cooking blog and online gaming platform that dabbles a bit in journalism on the side.

I mean, newspapers used to make all their money on classified ads which is why Craigslist has killed so much local news and Craig Newmark is now donating money to save journalism.

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> more than 600 software developers Does anyone have a sense for how this breaks down? I would never have guessed so many full-time employees were necessary to maintain a CMS.

Is this comment made every time by hacker news people? “I run my basement website with in my spare time? Why can’t one of the most popular websites in the world run on gum and a few paper clips”

Fair question. Having not worked at an organization like the New York Times, I really don't know. 5 people would obviously be too few, and 2,000 people would be too many. Hacker News handles a huge amount of traffic to dynamic pages with basically zero (by comparison) technical maintenance. Twitter (though not doing well as a business) was overloaded with tech employees.

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Would that not qualify as a harmful sabotage though?

I don't see why would it be any more harmful as any regular strike.

Striking is not damaging the workplace in any way other than removing employees. Actively misconfiguring equipment is a dismissable offense in pretty much every situation I've ever seen. It can also be considered criminal.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Let's put those numbers in perspective: $100k is about $72k after tax[0]. Suppose I want to support a family in NYC. Average cost of living is about $9,000/mo for a family of four[1]. That's $108,000 per year. Or about $36,000 above what I would need to support an average 2-kid family, living paycheck-to-paycheck. So if I want to be able to support a family, 100k is not even close to enough. edit: forgot to add the s…

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I guess we disagree on whether unions should fight for enough wages for their workers to support a family.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

When I see people critique those numbers as being “too high”, or demands for additional compensation “unreasonable”, I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time. Truth be told, for the present cost of living in the Northeast in general, you’re looking at a family income of $300k to be “comfor…

>I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time.

False. $45k in 2005 is only $73k today, when adjusted for inflation[1]. Even if you use the most generous interpretation of "2000s" to mean 2000, that's only $82k.

[1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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From the WSJ’s reporting on this: > Most employees in the tech union receive pay of more than $100,000, and average compensation, including bonus and restricted stock units, is $190,000, according to a Times spokeswoman. That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. > Times leaders have also bristled at the nature of some of the guild’s requests. The union previousl…

People will laugh at it, but pet bereavement should absolutely be a thing. The saddest I've ever been in my life was when my dog died. Perhaps seven days is a bit much, but when you go to the bargaining table you don't start with what you want, you start past that point then negotiate down.

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Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/business/media/new-york-t... https://archive.ph/f9gP0

The current top comment includes this: > I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. It would be nice if this could be replaced with a non-NYT link.

That is not what the union asked for.

The guild said it was asking readers to honor its digital picket line by not playing Times Games products, such as Wordle, and not using the Cooking app.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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This strike seems very poorly messaged. As far as I can tell, the union hasn't given any public explanation of what specific demands management won't meet. The union website doesn't even mention that they're on strike!

> Negotiations between it and the Times hit logjams over things like a “just cause” provision that prevents the company from firing workers unless it’s for something like misconduct, as well as pay increases, pay equity, and return-to-office policies, reports the Times. https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/4/24287600/new-york-times-t... I dunno. It is a negotiation between the union and the company. They might not have p…

Interesting. I spot checked the Boeing strike, and it does seem like unions often aren't too specific about their demands in public. I guess a lot of stuff that I thought came from unions is actually coming from internal reports like this.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this comment made every time by hacker news people? “I run my basement website with in my spare time? Why can’t one of the most popular websites in the world run on gum and a few paper clips”

> "Why can’t one of the most popular websites in the world run on gum and a few paper clips" The answer is almost always: Cloud Costs, Kubernetes and Resume-driven architectures.

Maybe that’s part of it but there are so many moving parts in a near-realtime CMS and world class publishing platform, so 600 people doesn’t surprise me when you consider the scope and scale of the NYT
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