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GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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I just scheduled the upgrade for my 2018 Model 3. It’s not free, but only costs $280 and they do it in my driveway. Rumor has it I might get a CCS adapter out of the deal too, but I’m not sure. It’s an older car but still going strong, and my biggest concern is that if I don’t do the upgrade now they’ll run out of upgrade kits and the car’s value will be permanently damaged even if it lasts another ten years.

Yes, you get a CCS adapter bundled for no extra charge with the retrofit. I just had mine done.

So retrofit + CCS->NACS adapter for $280 from Tesla cf. NACS->CCS adapter for $225 from GM.

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I still haven't received my free Ford adapter. Delivery date keeps getting pushed back due to "supplier" issues. I'm pretty sure the supplier is Tesla, and they're slow-rolling it for some reason.

I think Tesla claims to be making ~8k/week now. IIRC, Ford has >200k cars out there and Rivian >100k.

My Ford adapter order# is <20k. The forums have determined this order# to be a sequential integer starting from 1. I've been waiting for at least 6 months, so something's not adding up.

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yeah we live rural with two teens, so no car isn't much of an option but I'm thinking I'll just buy a cheap used ICE to tide me over until interest rates drop and I can save some $$ and go buy a new EV :-( had my eye on a used polestar 2 or mustang mach-e, but not sure I can justify debt for that

Ah yeah kids... With them on the insurance something cheap might be the move indeed.

I'm now back to just hunting for a replacement Volt.

or, yeah, a well-used Bolt

so much "fun"

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Which scientists? Can I go out and buy this tech, or is it imaginary?

https://www.chalmers.se/en/current/news/big-breakthrough-for...

So just structural batteries. Like, batteries, but form part of the item they are powering?

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Most of the comments here seem to be suffering from amnesia as to why Tesla is even opening their charging network- remember, the Feds literally begged them to and paid them money to do so. As a Tesla owner, I see this as a straight up loss in nearly every category. I never have used a third party charger, so even if those chargers move to the NACS standard it won’t improve my life in any way. I’ve already had to dea…

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I think cars will be more commodified internationally as EV efficiencies continue to drive the prices down and new lower cost tiers for different vehicle classes open up. This has certainly happened in China and arguably manifests itself as scooter/motorcycle culture in places like Taiwan, Vietnam and Indonesia. (In Shenzhen, the scooters were almost universally electric when I was there last month) Imagine the conta…

> The manufacturer produces them ready for the world market in 2 technical variations, right and left There are so many more regulations about cars than just what side the wheel is on or what kind of plug is used. Things like bumper design, headlight design, light positions, and more. Many are conflicting meaning being compliant in one market necessitates being non-compliant in another.

Right, I'm aware of all of these when I said that. This is a vision for what they'll look like at a lower pricing point. The $5,000 car I think will have fewer of these barriers than the $50,000 one. People tend to be less precious with cheaper things. Look at how much more universal cell phones have become after the bottom of the market fell out.

I'm pretty sure Christensen made this point in one of his less lauded followup books - the market disrupts with more universal implements. That's probably where I'm stealing this from.

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Ease of manufacturing and export of vehicles globally. Also, with everyone on the same standard, all companies have an incentive to optimize their hardware to accomodatte it. It might not be that important short term but it is on the medium to long term to complete a proper transition.

It's the same signaling standard. It's just a different plug on the side.

I mean sure, they do this with electrical outlets fine. But that doesn't mean having a dozen or so different outlet standards is the enviable state of affairs.

That's too late to fix.

This currently is not. We are for some reason, however, voluntarily doing it again.

I am a steadfast engineering internationalist so in practice a single standard is always going to be my bias

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I think Tesla claims to be making ~8k/week now. IIRC, Ford has >200k cars out there and Rivian >100k.

My Ford adapter order# is <20k. The forums have determined this order# to be a sequential integer starting from 1. I've been waiting for at least 6 months, so something's not adding up.

I've heard that a lot. TBH, it sounds like they aren't going in order, which is really strange to me. I don't think they are trying to limit it though, given that there are readily available third party adapters anyway.

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It's the same signaling standard. It's just a different plug on the side.

I mean sure, they do this with electrical outlets fine. But that doesn't mean having a dozen or so different outlet standards is the enviable state of affairs. That's too late to fix. This currently is not. We are for some reason, however, voluntarily doing it again. I am a steadfast engineering internationalist so in practice a single standard is always going to be my bias

It's a bit different from normal electrical outlets though. For DC fast charging, it needs to negotiate exact DC voltages. The dispensers are all designed to operate at a range of DC voltages to match the state of the battery and are constantly adapting to the battery.

In AC charging, the chargers are probably just designed to be way more tolerant of a wide range of input AC voltages.

So in those instances a purely passive adapter works fine. Or probably a cheap-ish retrofit of the outlet in the car since I doubt many cars go on intercontinental voyages very often.

And that's kind of the thing. The extreme majority of cars aren't going to go past their original target market continent. Taking a car from one continent to another often involves a lot of import duties, inspections, regulations modifications, and is generally very expensive.

Meanwhile with regular home devices you usually need to be sure you're supplying the right voltage as most home devices can't deal with other voltages. So adapters are more complicated and improper adapting is disastrous. Lots of things are small enough and unregulated enough to send through the post or carried on an airplane. It's a much more common hassle trying to plug in a shaver when travelling than figuring out what to do with the car you packed in your carryon.

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Moreover it's not clear how long china will be able to continue subsidizing the electric cars the way they do.

are you sure they are subsidizing them and not simply producing them more cheaply?

It's a moot point. China won't be able to continue to do this for much longer.
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