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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Is this one of the longest running construction projects of all time?

Cathedrals (or technically in this case, a church) being built over decades or centuries is pretty common! This might be one of the quicker ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_Cathedral took six centuries, although they started and stopped a few times.

Fair but those projects didn't happen during the 1900s where i would expect them to take long times for procurement and build.

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There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

Well, the other thing is that many, perhaps most, religious people don't know very much about their religion. Very few Catholics would know the difference between a cathedral and a minor basilica, say (which is what started this thread off in the first place). Actually, I'd argue that this isn't a religious question, anyway; it's administrivia.

That's true for nearly all folks who would tell you they're part of a certain faith. As in any time, only a few minority ever seem to want to contemplate creation, the nature of god, the particular logics behind faith, etc etc. That's not all bad - people come in a million types.

For most, faith and culture are intertwined as they go about their day. You fast because of course you do, not because you know the thousand-year history of that practice and the relevant scriptural phrases.

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There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

I have the opposite impression. Among Westerners Americans seem like the group where Christianity still plays the largest role in the average person's life. They talk about it a lot, to the point that I find it annoying. It's not just people who believe in it, the atheists and secular ones among them constantly complain about how bad religion is and how much they hate it. That's something you simply don't see in West…

Yes, America is one of the most Christian of the major Western countries. However, the geography of faith is quite varied. We run around in cars, jetting to exactly the institutions we want to patronize. So it's possible to easily stay only in your own community.

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There is this odd split in American society that makes this possible. You can go through your entire life, end up a professional journalist at the Times and not actually have asked someone about their sincerely held faith and practice. Kids rarely talked about religion in HS, outside of like the Interfaith club. (I ran my high school's and we had an annual panel of a rep from each major religion. I was was quite popu…

There is this constitutional right in American society that makes this possible. Change two words in your opening sentence and the rest reads like the system is working as intended!

The legal regime just prevents the state from going too far in promoting one faith. But whether you encounter someone with a different belief system depends on geography, modes of transport, openness to other beliefs, etc. There's a lot more to it! I'm thinking of it as a stochastic process.

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I feel like the only person in the world who was thoroughly underwhelmed by it and really don’t see how its future space requirements for a staircase can be justified. This isn’t me trying to be edgy, I like cathedrals, this one (and his general style) just left me cold. Duomo in Milan was far better imo.

I do not like this building, I don't care for it aesthetically, but more significantly it's too new to be culturally importantly. Old churches/mosques/temples can have historical significance, but such is completely missing in this case. There's a joke going around that it's the first cathedral constructed as a tourist attraction which is both hilarious and accurate.

Before the modern era constructing expensive religious buildings could perhaps be justified, but after the 1800s people ought to have known better and these can't lay claim to represent the city as earlier projects could. It belongs in the same category as the castle at Disneyland.

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There are lot's of city centres in Europe in France, Italy, Belgium etc. where entire neighborhoods survived, and they look great.

I think the ultimate city if you like old European architecture is probably Prague. It's a big city and most of it is amazing. You're totally right that France/Italy/Belgium all have amazing towns to visit. But in case someone is looking for a random tip elsewhere: Český Krumlov ( https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cesk%C3%BD_Krumlov ), which is in today Czechia (handy in case you happen to visit Prague), but used to…

Yeah Prague is awesome; although same as Amsterdam, and other bigger cities the chaos of the cities at times is a distraction. Cesky looks lovely, France also has amazing places. I do think this is the most perfect Medieval town though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel

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Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Scott Alexander has written a good blog post about the numerous things that could be contributing to this result:

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/whither-tartaria

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