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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by iterati »

audunw wrote: post #49
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by top_sigrid »

faebi wrote: post #161

Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the act…

Do you have any source to support this claim? Or from what do you conclude this?

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Post by cmrx64 »

sfjailbird wrote: post #221
seanieb wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering. Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to…

DEFCON 5 is the lowest level, “normal”.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by janoc »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%).

Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average!

And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is cheaper than a gasoline car, despite the gas powered vehicles normally costing about 50% less.

So, please, when waving this sort of argument about, don't "forget" to put it in context.

Norway is a special case because of government policies, not because Tesla did anything particularly great there. They were just the only ones on the market at the time so people essentially had to buy a Tesla if they wanted to benefit from the generous subsidies because there simply wasn't anything else available. Today the situation is different, though.

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Post by ceejayoz »

bzzzt wrote: post #129
yareal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a model s, the software crashed constantly. Or just locked up. Nothing like having your dashboard go black at 70 mph to instill confidence in your car.

My 8 year old Volvo does that rarely (two times in 8 years). At least it has a watchdog that reboots the dash and keeps running.

Guessing an eight year old Volvo still has a working speedometer during a restart, though.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ryukoposting »

bayindirh wrote: post #110
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by da768 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112
izacus wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.

> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persiste…

A loose gas cap triggers an EVAP leak code + check engine light on pretty much every car made since the early 2000s. Now depending on said car, all traction control and ABS might be half-disabled as soon as the CE light turns on. Usually newer cars will disable more systems to bring you back to the dealer.

ex. my current car had an intermittent O2 sensor issue, which would turn the traction control in lazy mode and try to kill me in snow/ice conditions by reenabling itself at the worst possible moment when detecting slippery conditions. My previous car had traction controls completely independent from engine faults.

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Post by kuerbel »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #197
faebi wrote: post #161

Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the act…

>> boil down to surface rust on the braking discs You don’t fail for surface rust, it’s not a check that’s done. You fail for dangerous imbalance of braking force. When the car is run on the drum roller (rolling road powers the cars wheels) and the inspector presses the brakes, the braking force applied by the car is measured. You get a fail if your braking performance is likely to unsettle the car in high braking fo…

The manual clearly states that the breaking discs need to be cleaned every, what was it, 25k km. Thats a job for a mechanic. Also in the DIY section it says that the brakes should be burnished as well.

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Post by nickpp »

oblio wrote: post #223
nickpp wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole. I'll try to find the article. It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration. Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since…

> I'm not super convinced the end result is better.

He said from the warm comfort of his home, with a full belly, writing on a supercomputer created in SV, with software written in SV, on a platform build by SV on a global network created, of course, by the SV.

Would you give up technology then? Nobody stops you but I seriously doubt the productivity of hand-plowing fields is in any way higher than that of modern farm equipment.

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Post by bigbillheck »

sitharus wrote: post #19
RomanAlexander wrote: post #8

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did they remove the service plan? My Model S came with a 4 year service plan where every quarter they would flush the coolant, filters, etc

Every quarter? Even when driving a 15 year old combustion car I have never had a car that needed to go for service that often! My new EV has a two-year service interval to check the coolant and brakes.

It wasn't too long ago you were supposed to do an oil change every 3000 miles which for the average American will happen in less than a quarter.
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