Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

Post by nroets » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:03 PM UTC

lr4444lr wrote: post #191

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's not that big of a problem. Go live like that for 6 months and get back to us: food insecurity, inadequate healthcare, and few civil services or safety net. Those other countries are not net zero pollution either. You wanna crash the economy? How then will we develop the innovations to fix this problem? Can't…

Post by input_sh » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:04 PM UTC

markwkw wrote: post #146

badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

On the other hand, looking at lived experience the story is quite tricky. From the perspective of an individual it is very hard to detect this level of climate change. I can't tell how much warmer any given month was compared to even 20 years ago. We're talking about 28 vs 28.5°C average for a month. (and July and August made news because of pronounced anomalies, other months were probably even murkier stories due to…

Post by ITB » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:04 PM UTC

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Post by RandomLensman » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:04 PM UTC

dopidopHN wrote: post #208

RandomLensman wrote: post #156

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No more air travel is very radical!

I took my first plane at 28 or so. Before it was just too expensive. I survived, and traveled to many, many countries without it. ( car, buses ) Now, I live between two continents. Take plane at least once a year or every other one. I would still be in favor of plane restriction. It will happen anyway: but by prices purely and the most affluent of us will be the less impacted.

Post by wahnfrieden » Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 4:05 PM UTC

badtension wrote: post #193

datameta wrote: post #152

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If policies don't drastically change. Just imagine norwegian electric car subsidies but happening everywhere decades straight - for solar, wind, tidal, battery, pumped water stations, sand batteries. Perhaps a Sahara -> Europe solar megaproject (I remember a good discussion on HN about that). Separately, I wonder if a geoengineering megaproject is more likely to be funded than small incremental changes due to politic…

> If policies don't drastically change. Just imagine norwegian electric car subsidies but happening everywhere decades straight - for solar, wind, tidal, battery, pumped water stations, sand batteries. Perhaps a Sahara -> Europe solar megaproject (I remember a good discussion on HN about that). Do you honestly see them changing in the following years? We had Paris 8 years ago and the only thing that caused a small, o…