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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by sharminglkw »

542458 wrote: post #177
sharminglkw wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When copilot was originally released, I was able to get it to generate verbatim my extremely niche and poorly written code from a completely private repo. It was identifiable by the bad variable names that I used. I cant say they traines it on all pricate repos, but they definitely trained it on my private repos.

Did you reach out to any tech press figures or publicize this in any way? It would have been a fairly important story and should have been pretty easy for somebody else to reproduce by generating the same completions and comparing them to your commit history. I don’t mean to be dismissive but unless you did something like that or documented it in some way it’s hard to give too much weight to a “source: trust me” comm…

I actually posted it on HN! If you look hard enough you might even find it. Just don't dox me, thanks.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by sharminglkw »

IshKebab wrote: post #192
sharminglkw wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When copilot was originally released, I was able to get it to generate verbatim my extremely niche and poorly written code from a completely private repo. It was identifiable by the bad variable names that I used. I cant say they traines it on all pricate repos, but they definitely trained it on my private repos.

Bullshit. That would be global news.

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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by anotherevan »

Spooky23 wrote: post #175
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

You nailed it 100%. Tech people are pretty gullible. Satya has a good PR operation and many people fall for the “wow it’s the new Microsoft”. I negotiate with them. They are way more difficult and hard nosed to deal with than in the Ballmer era. The salespeople work under a sword and while they aren’t Oracle, they are in that path. Trust doesn’t mean much with companies of this scale. You need to understand your cont…

> Tech people are pretty gullible.

Yeah, I'd believe that.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastardoperator »

rectang wrote: post #98
bastardoperator wrote: post #17

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Ehh, I think this is also a bad take. Turn off telemetry, delete ChatGPT conversations, and I like having an LLM for GitHub versus Give us all your personal data and we're sharing it with ad partners, your personal data is our number one product and secondary products are only made to support the first endeavor.

> I like having an LLM for GitHub That LLM was trained on FOSS software that others like myself wrote and did not consent to have used in such a manner. Even if you're also a FOSS contributor and you're fine with it, I'm not. So you like it, but you're not the party whose consent matters. You're the customer consuming the laundered goods from the fence.

OSS people complaining about licenses while simultaneously ignoring the license they granted Github is peak irony. I'm totally fine with it, it's why I do it, I don't need accolades and I'm not straddling a user with legal agreements, that's not freedom in my mind.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by Osiris »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #165
irusensei wrote: post #143

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I can’t force myself to like vscode. I need to code right? So I need 1-to be able to write text, 2-syntax highlighting. VSCode is an absolute mess of unnecessary plugins and popup that reminds me of an internet explorer 6 with too many web bars and a bonzi buddy dancing at the bottom of the screen. I also dislike Chrome and any chrome based reskin. I appreciate Firefox and even Safari. Specially Safari for the same r…

You can turn off a load of stuff. You don't have to install any plugins. VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. Lots of separate VM dev environments with different editor configuration and tool requirements, and more or less only SSH config and keys to connect me to…

Are you talking about Live Share? JetBrains also has collaborative sharing, inspired by Live Share.

Even though I primarily use WebStorm, when I’m working with people on a contract gig, I frequently use Live Share as a pairing tool whether to help debug something or just for training/mentoring.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastard_op »

Apparently the writer missed that recently Microsoft was pwned so much that China was issuing their own access to government office365 domains recently, even refuses to discuss the matter for fear of reprisal. Or being the recognized leader as a malware runtime engines with their Windows products miscreants adore since the 90's on the 98% of all pc's globally, great since the OS already spies and reports on everything you do already to Microsoft or anyone else that's taken over your system due to inherent insecurity.

Yeah, real trust-worthy.

If you've seen even passingly Microsoft's security record for the past 30 years, you'd never trust them as anything but a (sadly) necessary evil for the blissfully ignorant.

Of course Apple is now competing with Mac and IOS as the up and comers as a premium malware runtime engines, becoming as popular to infect as Windows since people have been mislead to believe it's somehow any more secure, but even just an iMessage received can infect.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

Osiris wrote: post #236
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn off a load of stuff. You don't have to install any plugins. VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. Lots of separate VM dev environments with different editor configuration and tool requirements, and more or less only SSH config and keys to connect me to…

Are you talking about Live Share? JetBrains also has collaborative sharing, inspired by Live Share. Even though I primarily use WebStorm, when I’m working with people on a contract gig, I frequently use Live Share as a pairing tool whether to help debug something or just for training/mentoring.

No. Though it’s the basis for the live sharing mechanism as well.

I’m talking about the remote dev environments. Editing inside VMs, inside WSL, inside Docker containers or via SSH to remote machines, where the editing environment runs seamlessly on the remote, can have extensions, can do version control, run language servers etc.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview

Basically a part of the editor is running remotely, and yet can be managed as if it were local (e.g. an extension can be installed locally or into the remote). So your code is operated on entirely by the remote.

It is, as far as I am aware, unique in its scope.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by sowbug »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #105
sowbug wrote: post #41

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Polarization plays better than nuance.

What nuance would you want? YouTube is the most similar to Google Search of all Google products in regards to 'doing things people hate about Google', beyond maybe Android. The product has been trend-chasing for years trying to do what Twitch, Instagram and Tiktok did all to sell more ads and data to in turn become more profitable, because we all know a few clear tech guides without ads are not turning YouTube anywhe…

That is more detail of the same earlier position, which is that someone who "generally avoid[s]" Google products actually "hate[s] Google things," and that anyone who "generally avoid[s]" Google products is a sell-out ("your standards have a price tag attached") for not avoiding a specific Google product. All OP said was that not all Google products are undesirable, and your reply completely mischaracterized what he or she said -- turning general avoidance into hatred -- and then attacked its own strawman for hypocrisy. That's polarization: if you're not on Team A, then you must be on Team B, and never the twain shall meet. Giving more examples people like you hate about a company doesn't really advance the discussion.

OP doesn't like many products from a particular company, but does appreciate one of them. There isn't a lot to argue with there.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by hdjfkfbfbr »

irusensei wrote: post #143
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

I can’t force myself to like vscode. I need to code right? So I need 1-to be able to write text, 2-syntax highlighting. VSCode is an absolute mess of unnecessary plugins and popup that reminds me of an internet explorer 6 with too many web bars and a bonzi buddy dancing at the bottom of the screen. I also dislike Chrome and any chrome based reskin. I appreciate Firefox and even Safari. Specially Safari for the same r…

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