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You can make a lot of ideas make logical sense if you create the correct framing, which you did in your post. However, your frame excludes the discrepancy between single males, who could vote, and single females, who could not vote; we can recurse, and say that single females could barely exist in the middle-class world due to social and economic norms which prevented women from getting jobs above starvation wages, a…

But his point still stands.. the lens of chronological snobbery is intellectually dishonest regardless of “framing”. Our modern society is radically oriented towards the individual, and not the family. That does bias our view of how good or bad a previously family-oriented society was. It’s hard to fully quantify the long-term implications of that change.

Throughout history we've had single marriages, polygamy, second+ marriages, combined families, divorce, matriarchal societies, and patriarchal societies. And there was certainly a time before any kind of marriage at all existed, and it's possible nobody knew who any fathers were. Throughout all of that, the individual is the only common denominator.

There is no reason to think that a single marriage is the best format, other than it happens to work well within the framework we've built up to support it over the last few hundred or few thousand years in specific countries. So the individual is it, because it's common to all.

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> We are actively recruiting experienced engineers and researchers to join our team as members of our technical staff in the Bay Area. It's funny that after all the talk of remote work, tech globalization and the SF/Silicon Valley exodus in the last few years (including much of it from Musk himself), we end up with pretty much all mainstream AI companies – OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Nvidia, Scale AI, Midjourney, and…

> The technological center of world continues to be a hundred square miles in Northern California If your definition excludes the likes of the entire semiconductor industry for example.

Or Microsoft and Amazon

Re: xAI

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Oh you know. Stuff like limiting voting rights to people with children. https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/elon-musk-appea...

Just because you don't like the idea doesn't mean it is "fascist". I don't find using that word flippantly contributes to intellectually substantive discussion. Frankly, it is lazy. It is better to provide reasoned criticism, but that may require revisiting some assumptions you're making, and that may be uncomfortable. Most people are not especially disciplined in interpreting historical realities through the lens of…

You're going with a modern, nuclear family idea that has really only existed for about a hundred years in specific countries. Single marriage existing in its own house is recent, and specific to some cultures. As I've written below only the individual is common to all those systems.

I think humans are past pure reproduction as a basis for society. The primary thing that humans leave behind is contribution to culture. I don't necessarily mean the capital-C Culture, though that can be it. A contribution to the lives of those around you, related or not. On a local scale I have known people without children who are absolutely treasured by the community and their loss has been felt greatly when they go. Sometimes they have buildings or rooms in a building named after them. On a larger scale, our history books are full of people who were childless. Isaac Newton was. I don't think this is isolating. I think you have full buy in to the future, with or without children. But you have to choose it.

On the flipside, I have a father in law, who is a pretty nice guy in general. He's still happily married and appears to love his kids. When asked if he was willing to fly less than 5 international vacations per year because, you know, climate change is serious and he has a grandkid... his answer was a very serious "What do I care? I'll be dead."

If you're not getting service to the community or belief in a future beyond yourself, perhaps the problem isn't marriage or your concept of individualism. Maybe it's telling people they aren't worth anything, or their contributions don't matter. Telling single people they can't vote isn't going to help that.

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In AI research, the acronym XAI stands for eXplainable AI [1]. To understand anything about the universe, AI will need to (i) make accurate predictions about some parts of the universe and (ii) explain the laws and the models it used to make these predictions, just like natural sciences do [2]. I believe eXplainable AI can get us there one day. However, I'm surprised that, despite it's name, xAI doesn't mention eXplainable AI and the team doesn't seem to have experience in eXplainable AI, which makes me think it's just another deep-learning AI venture.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explainable_artificial_intelli...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Re: xAI

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Have you looked at the papers and C.V.s of the people on the front page of x.ai? Many have already worked on machine guided proofs and I see people with pure math and physics backgrounds.

Formal verification research is conducted since 30+ years and LLMs aren't really good at math and logic, so based on what grounds can we expect a breakthrough in machine guided proofs anytime soon?

Various recent math olympiad results from deep mind and openai.

I think we'll see something analogous to the classification of the finite simple groups collaboration, but where some core researchers will do several proofs in the area to show it the kinds of things needed and it can help fill in others. Things where there is a large volume of similar work to be done.

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There is literally nothing wrong with ethics in AI, or any other field of science. What is wrong is this woke supremacist nonsense, that some imbecile in Silicon Valley can dictate the truth about the world according to the woke bible, that's where the problem lies. Americans have gotten really intolerant of other cultures and ways of life. There's 8 billion people on this planet, ffs. We don't need the heavy handed…

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Re: xAI

#238

> The goal of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe. Genuinely curious: Does anybody take this stuff seriously? I just feel embarrassed to be working in tech (in Silicon Valley of all places), being associated with these charlatan clowns peddling nonsense like this and being praised for it.

Same here, this is ridiculous

Re: xAI

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> The goal of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe. Who wants to bet it's going to end up launching a "me too" generative AI product. Maybe Musk should first take these skills to Tesla's self driving division then worry about the rest of the universe.

I wonder if you would say the same with many nations doing their own space program? Why copy NASA and others when you can focus on poverty and other things than to worry about the rest of the Universe? Some competition would be great IMO. I wish Elon started a TSMC competitor though. A moat so high it affects geopolitics.

I think it's strange that Intel haven't tried to build up their fab capacity and compete directly with TSMC/Samsung for contract manufacturing.
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