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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by iknowstuff »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #185
gzer0 wrote: post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

For comparison, Tesla FSD veering directly at a cyclist, who was saved only by the driver's lightning reflexes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wkENwrp_k For comparison, Tesla FSD cruising right through a crossswalk with pedestrians and the driver is gleeful about it: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/teslas-full-self-drivin... For comparison, Tesla FSD veering into oncoming traffic https://www.reddit.com/r/tesl…

Because ultimately there hasn’t been a single publicized death or injury resulting from FSD Beta, while it only took a few months for a professional tester of Uber’s SDC effort to kill someone. So maybe it makes sense to test with millions of people for a few minutes a day instead of 8 hours a day with a few hired testers. The media would sure jump on such tesla headlines.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

gzer0 wrote: post #43

Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Can you explain how

  - Must be under 40 mph
  - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways
  - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets
doesn't exclude all roads? Where I live, highways all have a speed limit of 65-75 mph, and all streets with a speed limit of 40 or below are city our county roads. So where can you actually use this?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

ImprobableTruth wrote: post #205
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #176

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Maybe if we built more of those, more people would be within walking distance of them.

Trains for local transportation make no sense. Trams for high-throughput and buses for everything else is the only sensible thing for local public transport.

Works well in Japan.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by berkes »

yread wrote: post #215
berkes wrote: post #199

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Yes. And yes. I live in the Netherlands and we have this. Because it is what people want and need. And because it's been invested in for decades. And because it has a way higher ROI than car infra.

Well the road infra has also been invested in heavily. Dutch highways are the best

Yup. It's not an either/or as many seem to think. Public Transport works best in addition and next to cars, bikes, and such. It's mixing and combining that offers the true value.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

olex wrote: post #225
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #219

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> prepared to take control immediately I don't think that's correct. I've seen "in a certain amount of time" but you make it sound like it's a safety issue, which it's not, that being a key differentiation from a L2 system. When it can't drive it stops driving and you have to drive. If it's not a safety issue you could conceivably bee sleeping, as long as you can wake up in a timely manner. The SAE makes it clear tha…

That "certain amount of time" is variable, but in practice is on the level of 10-15 seconds for the Mercedes system - at least that's what it was when it was first certified in Germany some time ago. It is designed to let you take your hands off the wheel and look at the scenery, but anything more than that is too much distraction for when it requires you to take over. And it will, because it's really not very capabl…

What would be great is the SAE tightened the definitions so there were standards of performance, maybe with different quality sublevels within each.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

ra7 wrote: post #144
ajross wrote: post #57

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> However Mercedes are taking liability whilst their system is in use Are they? This press release doesn't actually say so. There was an announcement a while back when they deployed this system in Germany, but that's obviously a different legal environment. FWIW, this is mostly spin anyway. Liability isn't generally something that is granted, it's either there or not. If Tesla FSD causes an accident, they can absolut…

> Liability isn't generally something that is granted, it's either there or not. If Tesla FSD causes an accident, they can absolutely be sued for that in the US. That’s not what liability means here. Assuming the story is true, it means Mercedes is responsible for damages caused when the system is engaged and the users know that when they buy the car. Being sued afterwards is not the same thing. > The reason that "Te…

Yes, because an accident is when there are personal injuries, otherwise it’s a collision.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by noAnswer »

ajross wrote: post #161
justapassenger wrote: post #94

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Only people who don’t understand problem domain think it’s not a technical achievement.

I'll give you 2:1 odds that before this reaches market (looks like end of the year for deliveries per the article) Tesla will duplicate the stunt and lift the driver monitoring requirements in similar situations. (Edit: two replies here playing gotcha games with prior FSD announcements. But I'm serious: Tesla can do what this Mercedes does already, essentially perfectly, and has been for the two years I've operated t…

They claimed in 2018 that in 2019 you will be able to let your Tesla work for you as a Robo-Taxi and make 300.000,- a year. Why would they still wait?

Why did Elon Musk wait so long to say the videos showing "him" saying "We will have full self driving in 201x" are deep fakes?

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