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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by iLoveOncall »

omegant wrote: post #88
freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Google has been unusable for some years. Limited results, capped searches… such a difference with the original Google, it’s just a ghost of what it used to be. I’m definitely going to give Kagi a try, I hope you are not restricting results by politics or so. I’m paying for Chat gpt at the moment but I still need to just search and not to be spoon fed curated results all the time… the moment they include payed adverti…

I've been using Google professionally for 10 years and 10 more before that as a hobbyist, and there has not been a degradation of the results.

Every single time I have had someone claim that, and they then shared their search methodology, it became extremely obvious that the problem is between the keyboard and the chair, not in the search engine.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by throwaway2214 »

freediver wrote: post #94
djbusby wrote: post #73

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What happens in two years?

Let me have a stab at this: We will be at the end of the AI hype cycle we are currently in. Majority of AI/search startups that exist today will no longer be around, failing to find a viable business model that has a hope of profitability, as stuffing ads inside will put them in direct trajectory of Google/Microsoft's insane resources. Google and Microsoft situation will be much better defined. One of these companies…

none of this makes any sense

in 2 years i will just run local llm and not touch google/microsoft models with a ten foot pole

the internet will be full of generated garbage and rendered useless

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by t0bia_s »

ttapp wrote: post #129
t0bia_s wrote: post #84

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Your search queries on Kagi are paired with your credit card, so if that doesn't bother you, ChatGTP shouldn't either.

I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to bother anyone. I always use a browser profile that's not signed into anything when searching, whether that's for work or personal. I know this does not guarantee privacy, but why make it easy for them?

For sensitive searches I do recommend only Tor. For casual searching SearX. Anonymous or not in regular browser doesn't change much if you don't use any kind of IP hiding.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by dw64 »

easytiger wrote: post #227
mordae wrote: post #225

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Not really. Kagi weeds out those pretty well in practice. The results are mostly same as from Google, but the crap is removed and organic sites get a boost. The only place where Kagi is mostly worse is figuring out that the query is actually about a specific place and results should point to a map. At least for me. Which makes sense. There are no Kagi maps. It might be interesting to leverage OSM.

> Not really. Kagi weeds out those pretty well in practice. The results are mostly same as from Google, but the crap is removed and organic sites get a boost. It doesn't do that because that's impossible. If you search for something that's in the news, you visit the news site retrieved by the search engine. That has no bearing on the fact that site will, most likely, be heavily ad supported, most likely. > organic si…

Please see their article [1] for details, before claiming something is impossible. TL;DR: They check how many ads and trackers are on websites and punish those in the sorting. Most of the useless websites are full of affiliate links, ads and tracking so they naturally get downgraded.

If you’re talking about a niche topic with only one result you obviously still get that one result, but I’d argue for most search terms the issue lies in ordering the very many results.

[1] https://blog.kagi.com/search-enhancements

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Post by notcensored02 »

kovac wrote: post #167
freediver wrote: post #8

There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…

Hello, I looked at Kagi and found it too expensive. I'm a paying user for many software I use: vpn, email, git to list a few. And i am willing to pay a reasonable price for a search service. To put it in to perspective, my vpn costs less than $9 a month and I use it for high speed multimedia streaming, video games with no limits on usage. I hope you can come up with more reasonable pricing plans or consider open-sour…

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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by t0bia_s »

viraptor wrote: post #141
ttapp wrote: post #129

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I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to bother anyone. I always use a browser profile that's not signed into anything when searching, whether that's for work or personal. I know this does not guarantee privacy, but why make it easy for them?

The whole point of using Kagi for me is that I've got my search options customised and I'm paying for a service better than the alternatives. The payment privacy aspect of that lives on a completely different layer: you'd need to first solve the KYC -vs- privacy problem, and that's more of a politics problem than tech.

I understand and appreciate what Kagi trying to do. But linking search queries with your real name is huge privacy invasion. Even though Vlad says they do not log queries. Well... Without proof there could be only trust. Decision is up to you.

Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by NerdiDotOrg »

weinzierl wrote: post #230
_benj wrote: post #174

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I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries. I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with…

Fellow Kagi user here and for me the search results are so similar to Google's that day-to-day I don't notice which search engine I'm using. This is good and bad: Kagi is on par with Google but for me it hasn't enough benefit to pay for it in the long run. When it comes to your point of repeated searches: I wish my search results would be a combination of global (unpersonalized) ranking and local personalized ranking…

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Re: We will be shutting down neeva.com

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Post by kovac »

notcensored02 wrote: post #235
kovac wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello, I looked at Kagi and found it too expensive. I'm a paying user for many software I use: vpn, email, git to list a few. And i am willing to pay a reasonable price for a search service. To put it in to perspective, my vpn costs less than $9 a month and I use it for high speed multimedia streaming, video games with no limits on usage. I hope you can come up with more reasonable pricing plans or consider open-sour…

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Hi notcensored02, thanks for the comment, and I get where you are coming from. But, I don't think it was ever free to host your own services since we have to pay to buy computers to use as servers, electricity, internet connection and since the ISPs broke the internet, IP addresses. In some sense, the problem was companies starting to offer these things FOC except we didn't realize the true cost of it then.
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