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Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by viraptor »

super256 wrote: post #228
viraptor wrote: post #209

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Watch out with Discord and 3rd party clients. Their policies suck here and people have been banned for it already https://twitter.com/discord/status/1229357198918197248

Is that tweet ripcord related? The original tweet to which discord is responding is deleted. I've been using ripcord for half a year now, and my account hasn't been disabled so far. If they actually choose to terminate my account because I'm using a more efficient client, I'm going to be really upset.

It's all third party clients effectively. Some more context here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25224151

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by worthless-trash »

kazmerb wrote: post #230
worthless-trash wrote: post #211

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I like it how it goes straight to "touch grass" when someone has a slightly different belief to someone else. Of course it must be unreasonable if they disagree with me!

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Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by kazmerb »

worthless-trash wrote: post #232
kazmerb wrote: post #230

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Nope. Sorry. Your personal politics and opinions can be objectively, morally, ethically, legally, and practically wrong. On the topic of "woke" content, e.g. rainbows, gay representation, black history, etc., being against people being allowed to express themselves in ways that affirm themselves in ways that are best for the mental health and well-being, being allowed to love whomever they love without fear of legal or moral backlash, teach the true history of a people including the icky parts that certain demographics would prefer to keep hidden from the sunlight, and exposing the injustices of this country from a historical and contemporary context, IS morally, ethically, objectively, practically, and hopefully someday sooner rather than later legally wrong.

Your opinion, thank fucking god, does not matter. It's not "groupthink", insofar as all we are are just people who agree that treating human beings with basic dignity regardless of their social or racial standing isn't groupthink, just common fucking sense and what a decent person should do at the barest of minimums. And if you oppose that, guess what? You're on the wrong side of history, society, and progress. IF you don't like it, you're free to leave. But we're not going anywhere, so try not to cut yourself while seething at our existence.

Also make sure you subscribe to Discord Nitro, so you can upload longer clips of you talking to your camera in the cab of your 2017 Ford F150 Superduty wearing wraparound shades.

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by charcircuit »

mmis1000 wrote: post #208
nextaccountic wrote: post #153

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Open source isn't about looking at the sources. It's about legally forking the client to remove malware and other unwanted features. Open source is about giving back users control over their own computer

'Open source' didn't mean you can legally modify and republish it. 'Free software' does.

Yes, it does. See point 3.

https://opensource.org/osd

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by worthless-trash »

kazmerb wrote: post #233
worthless-trash wrote: post #232

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Nope. Sorry. Your personal politics and opinions can be objectively, morally, ethically, legally, and practically wrong. On the topic of "woke" content, e.g. rainbows, gay representation, black history, etc., being against people being allowed to express themselves in ways that affirm themselves in ways that are best for the mental health and well-being, being allowed to love whomever they love without fear of legal…

Also, nope sorry ;), I didnt say anything about whatever nonsense you're talking about. I simply stated that its about providing space for discussion and evidence, all that rant crazy is on you.

Interesting that asking for open discussion with supporting evidence pushes so many buttons for you.

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by saghm »

tripflag wrote: post #110
saghm wrote: post #59

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One sticking point for people might be the way push-to-talk works for the in-browser version; the shortcut to trigger it will only work when you have the browser window focused (I think due to limitations in how browsers can capture inputs when not focused, which is a pretty reasonable policy in general). Not only does this mean you'd need to alt-tab over whenever you want to push to talk (which isn't super easy for…

In case you (or anyone else) is a windows user with the same issue, I ended up rolling my own solution for it: https://github.com/9001/uptt

Oh wow, that's super interesting! In retrospect it's super clear that muting and unmuting the microphone system-wide will pretty much always work, since it's incredibly unlikely someone would need to have input on between push-to-talk activations, but for whatever reason, it never occurred to me. I use a cheap USB foot pedal to avoid needing to manage holding down the button while trying to do stuff in-game, and I'm realizing now how obvious it is that making it just toggle mute/unmute on each press rather than needing to hold down my foot would be _way_ more convenient!

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

yamtaddle wrote: post #76
MobiusHorizons wrote: post #68

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Video playback is low power primarily because GPUs (even embedded ones) have dedicated hardware for video decoding. Video chat requires also encoding video, which not all gpus provide hardware for. CPU encoding video is a very energy intensive task especially as the resolution increases.

A macbook with a built-in webcam doesn't provide robust and low-power hardware encoding for video that camera captures? I should see battery life plummet if I use Quicktime to record video through it, then... right? There shouldn't exist battery efficient screencast apps for these computers... right? I don't think this excuse flies on anything made in the last 10 years, at least, except maybe trash-tier netbooks or s…

Good points. You have successfully made me revisit my assumptions!

I know that intel macbooks added hardware encoding from iphones into the T2 chip in part to solve this problem, but I also know that intel has quick sync, which should provide hardware encoding as well, and I didn't know what the pros/cons are. according to this article [1] the T2 chip seems to be much faster than intel quick sync, so that could be a factor, but it doesn't seem to cover power efficiency.

From a timeline perspective, Intel quick sync has been around on at least some Intel CPUs since 2011 and has been supported on osx since Mountain Lion (2012)[2], and the T2 chip first appeared in the Macbook pro in 2017 [3].

That would point to there being more at play than just absence of hardware video decoder. So I think you are right. At least _some_ hardware that can encode video efficiently has existed on macbooks for a while, and it seems like video conferencing applications should be taking advantage of it.

While it is always possible that the hardware could solve this problem, but the software doesn't make use of it, I have a feeling any software that did have correct use of encoding hardware would have gained a lot of marketshare, and people would be talking about it.

My next followup questions would be:

1) Were these computers in fact using hardware encoding, but the efficiency was not good enough for long battery life?

2) Is there some limitation to QuickSync and possibly other hardware solutions that makes them impractical for realtime use? Possibilities include:

    - Maybe they are throughput optimized, and to work efficiently must take in large chunks of data at a time, which could increase latency beyond what would be acceptable for video calling

    - Maybe they can't simultaneously do video decode and encode (it seems at least some generations of QuickSync couldn't do this)

    - Maybe the hardware encoding isn't configurable enough to provide a low bandwidth typically used for video conferencing.
I was unable to find answers to these in ~1h of googling. Would love it if someone here knows.

1: https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/09/apples-t2-chip-ma...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video#Develop...

3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_T2#History

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by dang »

kazmerb wrote: post #233
worthless-trash wrote: post #232

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Nope. Sorry. Your personal politics and opinions can be objectively, morally, ethically, legally, and practically wrong. On the topic of "woke" content, e.g. rainbows, gay representation, black history, etc., being against people being allowed to express themselves in ways that affirm themselves in ways that are best for the mental health and well-being, being allowed to love whomever they love without fear of legal…

Flamewar comments like you posted to this thread (and elsewhere, unfortunately) will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by dang »

worthless-trash wrote: post #235
kazmerb wrote: post #233

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Nope. Sorry. Your personal politics and opinions can be objectively, morally, ethically, legally, and practically wrong. On the topic of "woke" content, e.g. rainbows, gay representation, black history, etc., being against people being allowed to express themselves in ways that affirm themselves in ways that are best for the mental health and well-being, being allowed to love whomever they love without fear of legal…

Also, nope sorry ;), I didnt say anything about whatever nonsense you're talking about. I simply stated that its about providing space for discussion and evidence, all that rant crazy is on you. Interesting that asking for open discussion with supporting evidence pushes so many buttons for you.

Flamewar comments like you posted to this thread will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: When Discord is open in the background, NVIDIA card will not reach full speed

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Post by ungamedplayer »

dang wrote: post #239
worthless-trash wrote: post #235

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Also, nope sorry ;), I didnt say anything about whatever nonsense you're talking about. I simply stated that its about providing space for discussion and evidence, all that rant crazy is on you. Interesting that asking for open discussion with supporting evidence pushes so many buttons for you.

Flamewar comments like you posted to this thread will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Thanks for the input though. I feel like that we each have a responsibility to call out unreasonable comments when we see it. I hope you all do this when it counts and not just when it's easy.
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