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The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered. The endlessly breathless PR was irritating. Whatever happens, this wont be missed.

Great take. I never see this type of anti-crypto sentiment on HN. What does it feel like to be a contrarian?

Did you ever wonder why HN has so few vaccine contrarians but it has a lot of cryptocurrency contrarians?

Smart people are generally[1] better at seeing through scams and dishonest deals.

[1] Not always, of course, and hype can infect everyone, for a while at least.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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>if I were a bank, bitcoin presents a compelling argument. The supply is finite. Do you think that the most important thing about the value of something is the finite supply of it? Fiat currency is theoretically infinite since we abolished the gold standard, but seems to be compelling. Why would bitcoin be more compelling than gold (a finite store of wealth) or fiat currency (a fluctuating/volatile/infinite store of…

I think he means the compelling aspect is its fixed monetary policy. Gold deposits can be discovered (Uganda) or asteroids mined. Governments actively change their monetary policy. But bitcoin, for the first time in history, sets monetary policy in stone and gives all participants perfect information (in the game theoretic sense). I'm not saying that's overall good or bad, but it certainly makes predicting the future…

You don't need to cap supply to set emission in stone. People are already discussing how to amend bitcoin's emission to deal with the future lack of security when reward is dominated by tx fees.

An uncapped emission like 1 coin per second forever would be more immutable as it is simple as possible (not to mention much fairer) and leaves no uncertainty about long term security.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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> The supply is finite Until It isn't. Miners will one day decide to hardfork bitcoin to increases the mining rewards, hence increasing the supply. They will of course need to prepare the narrative, and say "it is for the good of bitcoin". It might be in 10 years, or in 50 years. But on a long enough time-scale, you can be sure of one thing: Bitcoin will change, because it's man-made and because it's mutable/forkable…

Has that worked in the past? While they could obviously create their own fork, they can’t force people to actually use it.

If nobody mines the old fork then users will have to switch.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered. The endlessly breathless PR was irritating. Whatever happens, this wont be missed.

> So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered.

Total copium from alt nerds is never ending, but the truth is neither of you know what you are talking about: Blackrock just added BTC to their $15B fund [0], which isn't much in total market-cap (despite the down market) but is a position to say the largest (and most predatory) hedge-fund sees value in utilizing Bitcoin denominated assets. So, it may have not mattered to you, but you just outted yourself as being no more insightful on financial matters than that 'normal person on the street.'

To be honest, I've been in this for over 11 years now, and the fact of the matter is we have won many battles along the way, but will have only truly 'won' when people like you don't realize you are using BTC at all, the level of financial literacy that it takes to be your own bank and self-custody and maintain financial sovereignty is FAR TOO much for the average person--I'm convinced no amount of simplification wit tech/device solutions will lead to that paradigm shift anymore in order to capture the average part of the bell curve.

What will occur is you will walk in to what looks like your typical bank/retailer which functions with BTC to reduce tx costs and settles on main chain on a periodic basis to fit business needs (and keeping some for strategic/investment purposes for long term duration like Microstrategy as an ancillary source of revenue), resulting in a situation just like how most never ask how does the plumbing work most won't realize how these establishments are running their own MC/LN nodes and probably use State subsidized solar panels for tax breaks via inflation reduction like legislation that then used to heat the building with miners if all goes to plan.

Just like engineers cannot rely on public convectional wisdom to understand the complexity and mechanics of an internal combustion engine, or the gearing ratio in their transmissions they use to get to place to place, our largest hurdle is no longer to inform the masses (I agree the PR has gotten out of hand but mainly by alt scammers and Ivy league thieves like SBF). Rather we need to focus on making the UI/UX indistinguishable from the current model all while running things on the back-end on either Mainchain or LN as needed.

People on hn complain about the 'eternal September' of the online World, I think what's sadder is that after over 5000+ years of debt based currencies that always end the same way even the supposed brightest amongst you are incapable of understanding the implications of the average age of fiat based currencies that have always led to collapse and induce war (see Russia and China) to prop up the disintegration of Society itself--de-investment, zero covid policy, real estate crashes ave put the CCP on the war path but at the core is the tight policy of te yuan on the mainland whih has led to massive real estate speculation and large holding of farm land in Australia wit capital flight.

Financial history is long, boring and tedious thing to study on your own time, but as I found out in 2007 leading into the crash its better to be informed than gullible--most don't realize the importance and take over of Washington Mutual (my bank at the time and the largest bankruptcy in US history at the time) was an expose that proved just how broken the system is and that the FDIC itself is insolvent and that State agencies will break laws in order to serve the large bank's interests whether it was this or the repeal of Glass-Steagall with Goldman Sachs etc...

I'm sure you sopped reading, by now, but if you haven't than it's probably worth your time understanding why tier has been a nearly decades long brain drain from academia, traditional finance, and tech into BTC over its lifetime.

0: https://financefeeds.com/blackrock-makes-bitcoin-eligible-in...

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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They're saying that gold is a cryptocurrency-like asset. Gold's value is primarily that looks cool and it serves as proof of work: the work of finding, mining, and processing it. So basically, cryptocurrency (i.e. proof of work limited shiny token) has "a long history of a solid investment that goes back to ancient times on a global scale"

Gold's value stems from its unique properties as a metal and of its scarcicity.

Bitcoin’s value stems from its unique properties as a digital network and of its scarcity.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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It never mattered if you live in a country with a stable currency and access to modern financial services. If that is you, you are in a very small minority of the world population. For the rest of the world, there seems to be some value... https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-global-crypto-adop...

People keep harping about that. Let's say I'm some sort of Ion Trașcă from Moldova. My country's in shambles, I need to buy and pay for stuff using crypto. How can I do that? Are there simple to use apps to set things up from the start and then use crypto? UI/fully visual, I don't want to touch ANY scary command line. How do I or who manages my keys?

I'm not sure if you are being intentionally condescending but you are coming across that way. I am going to assume good intention here.

I am not that familiar with the 'end use ' of paying for stuff directly, maybe you can't in Moldova.

Even if you can't pay for things directly, there are plenty of relevant uses. Simply using USDC can be a great store of value for people if their currency is collapsing. See lebanon, turkey, egypt, sri lanka etc.

Then if things get really bad, having some crypto could be very useful again if/when you have to flee the country. There are so many stories of Russians and Ukranians that left and were not able to take any of their currency. Here is just one example: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/ukrainian-flees-to-poland-wi...

Pointing out these real use cases is not 'harping on', in some cases this tech has saved people from terrible situations.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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Compelling against the US dollar which is "printed" by the trillions and is constantly losing value based on arbitrary decisions of people with effectively no accountability

Good job nobody's advising you to invest in dollars then! FYI the 'trillions printed in the last two years!' line is a meme, not a reality, and those running the currency are accountable democratically, in a way that cryptobros are not.

Those running crypto networks are accountable legally. Those running the currency are not.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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> The supply is finite Until It isn't. Miners will one day decide to hardfork bitcoin to increases the mining rewards, hence increasing the supply. They will of course need to prepare the narrative, and say "it is for the good of bitcoin". It might be in 10 years, or in 50 years. But on a long enough time-scale, you can be sure of one thing: Bitcoin will change, because it's man-made and because it's mutable/forkable…

Has that worked in the past? While they could obviously create their own fork, they can’t force people to actually use it.

No, but lets say a the big traditional instances do not accept the non-forked chain. Only the forked one. How good would that chain be for your average new user that is forced to accept transactions on the new chain.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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post #110

So many HODLers in this thread. For the normal person on the street, Bitcoin or Crypto never mattered. The endlessly breathless PR was irritating. Whatever happens, this wont be missed.

It never mattered if you live in a country with a stable currency and access to modern financial services. If that is you, you are in a very small minority of the world population. For the rest of the world, there seems to be some value... https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-global-crypto-adop...

>> you are in a very small minority of the world population

Really? So EU, UK, USA, China, Australia, with stable currencies, are a small minority..?

Sorry but countries with wild instability are the minority and frankly gold would seem to be a better store of value if that's anyone's concern. Crypto remains speculation i.e. a gamble not a store of value.

Re: The number of banks willing to do business with the crypto industry is shrinking

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For now.. until it’s not the dollar anymore

> until it’s not the dollar anymore which you'd better hope is not within your life time, because the implications is that the US has fallen, and that a new world order would've taken over. It is unlikely that you, as a citizen of the west (presumably) is going to fare as well as you are today.

As a non-USA citizen, that would be probably good for me.

But I know the USA would manufacture some bogus claims about dangerous weapons and go to war rather than letting it happen.

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